Who is Red John?

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i think fearful symmetry has something to do with a killer hunting his victim.  While trying to kill the hunter ponders many ideas; one is , is the prey going to kill me.  The poem by Blake is a bout a hunter.  Evidence i have is in the reading.  McAllister did say  "I've been a hunter most o'my life".  Tiger, Tiger is a spinoff calling a cat here kitty, kitty, or come out, come out wherever you are.  Childhood games often mimic serious adult situations.  Often these fantasies become repressed, and could create psychosexual lashing out.  Red John supposedly had psychosexual thoughts about people he intended to kill.  One person he reacted to this way was Jane.  In one episode, Red John is mocking or mimicing Jane - by drinking tea, wearing a suit, even sitting like Jane. Its the one where Harker Rosalind calls P. Jane;  The CBI rush over to her place, they find a dead coroner, but they dont find red john.  The police search the whole house for clues, but they find nothing.  Red John is meticulous, which brings him out of his psychosexual fantasy.  Killers often find routine to help them balance psychotic obsessions and socializing.  They ned something constant, because they don't have a constant good rapport with members of society.  Perhaps their best friend could be unaware of their behavior.  Since their behavior lacks any social signification  they seek some routine to create that missing support.  A killer may get friends to kill with him or her, so each other can reaffirm the psotive feelings they have remaining - about themselves.  Killers have real depths not just symbolic depths.  They desire to return to normalcy, which is now a great height.  In the poem by Blake, there is reference to distant depths and skies.  Blake is referring to these thoughts - which Blake is fantasizing about.  Blake focuses on animals by mentioning sheep - which an archetype reference to innocence or following ( lack of leadership) -also dependency on good (luck), because the ability to survive is not adapted to fighting for survival.  The killer/hunter is nearing a merger with the tiger (prey), and trying to succumb to the merging - and still hunt.  Jane is more like Blake's idea of the voice or protagonist in Tiger, Tiger by William Blake.  Simply, Blake was a sane human being with normal values, and Jane is that, a normal person.  Anybody would want to kill the guy who murdered his daughter & wife.  I have always associated that poem (for twenty years now) with a hunter.  Since Mcallister said he had been a hunter most of his life, I have to agree with Bruno Heller.  Red John is McAllister, and he is dead.

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Theory #17086 • By Seanmulvs
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The letters in Thomas McAllister 's name spell out molest him as cat.  Psychotherapists theorize that "there's a desire to merge here," on Red John's part. Red John wants Patrick to be like him. And perhaps he wants to be like Patrick.  The poem Tiger Tiger is about a hunter calling out his prey - supposedly a tiger.  The hunter (in the text of the poem) is trying to merge with the tiger, while hunting.  McAllister said to Jane "I've been a hunter most my life".  As the cat (merged identity) the hunter is supposedly gaining ground (advancing) on his prey.  Knowing your enemy as the old saw goes.  In one episode, Harker Rosalind was talking to patrick jane, while red john was there.  Red John was mimicing Patrick Jane: his posture sitting crossing his legs drinking tea;  Red John was trying to merge himself with Jane.  IN red sky in the morning Red John was rubbing Jane's shoulder- which hints at Red John's psycho sexual urge to merge with Jane.  The theory is about Killers needing to return to innocence; its what drives many killers to kill again.  They feel righteous, but they sink to depths - in their mind.  To get out from the darkness, they seek routine.  McAllister is about as routine as they come.  The poem Tiger Tiger references a similarity between Tiger and Lamb - by having the same creator.  The tiger preys on animals that are similar to lambs, so the tiger wants to be like a lamb.  The hunter in the poem is seeking to merge with his prey much like Red John sought to merge with Jane.  McAllister was an avid hunter.  He played rock paper scissors with Jane.  Jane had to switch his gesture, because McAllister was trying to copy him.  Jane was seeing the competition as coy rivalry, but McAllister was getting angry about losing.  I think he snarled at Jane.  In the second episode of the show, McAllister is clearly seen as Jane's antagonist which is rivaled by Red John.  The two identities merge, in the episode titled "Red John".  In a sense, Jane has done his merging - by killing Red John he cannot merge.  Jane is at peace, and the episode titles reflect that - by excluding the color red - from the title ( of the episodes).

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Brett Partridge 's name spells out get rid bert part.  Bosco's team called Rigsby (and Cho) Bert & Ernie.  Soon after, they are all killed.  Brett Partridge is a coroner, so he determines causes of death.  Heller has his name detail what caused the death of Bosco's team.  They called Rigsby Bert from Bert and Ernie (a puppet).  Rigsby wanted to cry, but he got revenge.  He didn't forget about Jane.  He reminds Jane that he is always thinking of him - even when cops pick on him and he must kill.  He thinks he is a natural born killer.  His dad was in Iron Gods gang, Roy Taggliaferri is cut iron (not gods). He is around six feet tall, and he had straight hair. 

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It seems obvious that it is McAllister, because the show has changed the title theme of Red to other colors - after Mcallister was killed by Jane.  The show's first episode contained a Red John tie-in.  Dr. Linus Wagner pretended Red John killed his partner & a woman.  The second episode revealed Mcallister - who was a sheriff that uncomfortable about Patrick Jane.  In the first episode, Wagner pretends to not know who Red John is.  In the second episode, McAllister pretends to not know who Jane is.  The theme is guilty minds can't keep a secret forever, there are tells that are visible to observers like Jane.

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"on what wings dare he aspire" refers to the tiger's appearance to a human. It delves into romanticism on the intellectual level. Respectively, it isn't an animal, but it is the thoughts about animals. Its about a hunter's ambition to kill rather than capture an animal (the tiger).  The person responsible for Red John murders is interested in killing rather than capturing humans.  He seems to be thinking he is above everybody.  A sheriff may get excited about being powerful, but it seems awkward.  Police don't remind of someone that thinks they are better than others.  However, some police use power to get what they want.  My top choices for who is into creating the Blake Association is a psychiatrist or police officer.  These two occupations are interested in helping society.  In fact law enforcement captures people, so Tiger, Tiger seems separate from police work - which takes my suspicion to psychiatrist.  He is busy helping people with their problems, but he doesn't work on his own.  He is selfless to the point that he needs to be considered a hero.  However, there is no "pat" on his back.  Wagner was helping children in Africa, there was never any personal time for him.  He knows he is depraved, so he finds some comfortable way to set himself up in prison (on deathrow).  Any admission of guilt is just covered by the fact that he has killed, and he framed Red John.  
Distant [deeps] refers to depth of one's spirit, and skies refers to heights of spirituality. Distant [deeps] is referring to the depravity reflected on by a hunter - who is hunting (rather than capturing). People find depth to be desirable in a person, because it resembles morals. The more pain you can feel the more human you are.  its as if "deeps" is feeling more human (than human).  Adding "distant" to "deeps"  makes a stark contrast to feeling human.  Red John is a person that is aware of the immorality of his killing.  He has values, but they are "distant deeps".  Red John could have killed Jane, but he probably wants to get caught.  His morality is catching up with him.  Jane's story is appealing, even to Red John.  
"Dare frame thy fearful symmetry" is the hunter communicating to himself, while hunting.  It speaks to the mind processing the fact that the hunter is a killer, and the hunt is for sport.  Basically, killing (instead of capturing) the tiger is victory, and the hunter is keeping himself involved.   Blake makes reference to the morality one deals with, when mentioning that the same creator of the lamb made thee.  The hunter thinks about letting the tiger live, but he decides to continue the hunt.  This is a deep character, I find it perplexing.  Mcallister seems easy to read.  A psychiatrist is much more complex; they have walls that they build to separate themselves from feeling - developed through years of attempting to be purely scientific.  A psychiatrist must relate to patients, and maintain objectivity - as professionals.  Wagner rather be remembered as a doctor that helped people - thats why he told Jane the reason he stole the money.  Any serial killer wants to be caught, and Wagner is no different.  Red John wants to surrender; its his humanity.  Wagner got caught, and he can continue to kill.  He can be let out, because he is friends with police.  He can run the prison from inside.  Jane is not likely to be able to get to him, while he is on death row.

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Theory #17066 • By Seanmulvs
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With all these mind games being played, I feel a psychiatrist is more likely the person behind Red John. Dr. Linus Wagner could be experimenting with people. He is like those sophisticated people who feel better than poor people. Nietzsche once wrote that psychiatrists separate themselves from the human race. His last name could be paying homage to Nietzsche contra Wagner.  Dr. Wagner wants to see Jane do something unpredictable, so he sends McAllister after his wife & daughter.  Jane reacts exactly as the Doctor expected.  He finds William Blake to be sophisticated.  Despite the good intentions of the doctor, he feels the need to socialize - to make him feel good.  He finds his self (inner character) to have human desire, although he differentiates himself from regular humans.  He makes the Blake Association, because he wants to delve into this relationship that he has found between himself and ordinary humans.  He found Blake and Nietzsche were communicating sophistry, in writings.  Red John was supposedly a sadist.  Perhaps the doctor was studying libidos.  He wants to be caged, so he can see what being domesticated feels like.  Jane is too busy to notice who is behind the Blake Association; Jane just wants to kill Red John.  Dr. Wagner tried to take responsibility for Red John, but Jane knew it was somebody else.  Jane doesn't care about why Red John killed his family.  Dr. Wagner wants to see Jane be domesticated, but Jane is resisting.  He doesn't shave. he wear wrinkled shirts.  Wagner just hopes that he is able to be objective, because he believes that is what Nietzsche wrote is the way of psychiatrists.  Wagner has been studying humans this entire time. He intends to keep on studying his primal urges, while he is in prison.  He wants to feel more human.  He wants to experience a human all too human feeling - which he ascribes to greed or selfishness (subjectivity).  Hence, he call himself Wagner - inspired by Nietzsche who wrote "Nietzsche contra Wagner" & Dr. Wagner is a psychiatrist who wants to be subjective - rather than Nietzsche's preferred objectivity.

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Theory #17060 • By Seanmulvs
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Hilzyyyy: " It would be disappointing,but Reede Smith's name is a little bit more than "very similar"if somebody does'nt know (Roy Tagliaferro is the principal alias of Red John. The most common translation of Italian surname Tagliaferro is iron-cutter, word to word it would be cut-iron (Cutiron).But another translation of Tagliaferro is ... smith (short form of "blacksmith"), so Roy Tagliaferro could be translated in english into Red Smith. Also if you change the order of the letters of his name (Reede Smith) you can get "The Red Is Me". Also it's been noticed that his name could be derived from 'Reed' which also means 'Red' so Red John's name would be Reed(e) Smith.Also...He kinda looks too obvious,as red john's actor said,he thought he was just red herring."  
I think "The Red is Me" is a symbol of Smith's position.  As FBI, Smith is powerful.  Cho clashed with Smith and Mancini - over disrespecting Cho's superior.  The FBI is ranked above the CBI, and Smith is a tool - for Red John.  His name is suspicious, but he is too young.  However, McAllister is old enough.  The first killing happened on a Visualize farm.  Visualize seems like a group that a psychiatrist would join - because they have in depth (spiritual) gatherings.  You can learn about yourself - which could appeal to Wagner.  You can get : grim dawn red sun (extra 'L") from Dr. Linus Wagner,MD. 
Classical Mythology Linus is             a musician and poet, the inventor of melody and rhythm, of whom various stories are told: often  identified, through his untimely death, with the harvesting or withering of crops and vegetation.b.Also called Linus song. a dirge: originally sung in western Asia to mourn the death of crops being harvested, later sung to mourn the death of Linus or that of Adonis.  Linus is the doctor who started killing on the Visualize farm - back in 1988.  Linus is the Non-Existent Self-Proclaimed Pagan God of the cult Linii. Has the powers to bestow jobs onto members of his cult, making them carry out sacred duties and occult practices. These duties include giving Linus handjobs, blowjobs, getting F8$ked by Linus among other things. These divine practices are sacramental and must be carried out with pride. Any member of the Linii refusing these duties would be punished severely by blasphemous acts such as getting circumcised and castrated. He would then be raped and F8$ked in the ass before having his body seared with the holy cleansing flame. Finally, necrophilia and bukkake will be performed on his blazing corpse as the life force slowly seeps out of the zealot. Such is the punishment of one who offends Linus.Example 1: 
Adaptation of Julius Caesar, a play by Shakespeare 
Calpurnia: "I doth fear greatly for my lord’s safety. O Mighty Linus, I prithee, protect Caesar, O Caesar, thy pride beest thy downfall"

Example 2: 
Member of Linii: "O Mighty and Omnipotent Linus, grant me theLibido to last for 29 minutes. As I pray, provide me the sex drive I desire."
Red John like to tie up women for sexual pleasure.  Wagner is in prison, and he could make people his prison bitch - just like Linus.  He is making his army stronger than ever by making people (in prison) his prison bitch.  Dr. Linii Wagner MD can spell out id glad winner rim.  Rim is known as a circular like a group of followers ( a circle of friends has a rim). Id is reference to psychiatry and his psyche.  Glad is complacency and is modifying winner.  Linii is followers of Linus.  It could mean that only the followers of Linus are truly happy.  It sounds cultish, and that is exactly what Visualize is.  Red John's first kills were on a Visualize farm (back in 1988).  

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