The latest theories about Red John's identity (page 1012)

My suspect is Partridge. My main reason is that we're talking about a crime story, and in a crime story the classic way is to introduce the culprit early (he appeared in the Pilot first), then move him aside to let the spectators forget about him, thus in the end he can show up accompanied by massive surprise.
So in our case the goal is to leave us shocked by the identity of RJ, but that cannot be accomplished if we're given the list of the final seven (if we can believe what Heller said). If we do, I think that narrowing the list is only a way to confuse us, not to make our job easier, since RJ is one of seven people, not three. If we don't, then RJ can be Ron, the CBI agent or Joe, the janitor as well...

Oh, and we haven't seen Partridge's body yet.

I might be terribly wrong, but I'm pretty sure I would be embittered if RJ turned out to be e.g. Bertram or McAllister.

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Can somebody tell me what time and on which website I can watch the great red dragon online ? Im from EU it is 23:25 now.

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I don't believe it for a second but I just want to point it out...
REEDE SMITH is the only one bar Kirkland that we have seen kill someone. HE is the only killer. The sheriff isn't technically a killer because he was doing his job. Reede is a cold blooded killer.

just saying..still don't think it's him but he is NUTS

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red john is Gale Bertram

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Theory #11693 • By whiteeagle

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The twisted theory part II

For those
who liked and disliked the twisted theory about the way we are watching

PJ’s live as a CBI consultant chasing RJ, in the wrong order, here is some new matters
to think of.

For those who haven’t had the chance to look at
it, it’s here:

http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/11589
(important to read before the following)

In the comment of the previous theory, a reader
added how Kirkland and his twin Michael could easily fit the backwards story, a
good job I would like to add that one of them was chasing the tiger tigers and
got killed by them so the other one came for revenge, helped dismantling
tigers, and after questioning them the police knew about the existence of one
member who’s not been caught yet named RJ.

(Kirkland
crossed the line by kidnaping PJ and cut the other guy’s finger), but still he later
joins the CBI in the hunt of RJ. As I said PJ’s memories are not so clear yet.

And I’m becoming to believe that there’s a certain
order of watching all episodes, maybe a symmetrical one, yeah this is going too
far I know… But we have certain episodes that can fit anywhere in the show, where
there’s no RJ being mentioned, it still have to be in the same season though.

Now we still have to talk about the list of six (Kirkland’s
out) and Lorelei.

Remember to think twisted, backwards,

Bertram McAllister and Smith are brave infiltrated
agent in the tiger.org.

After the tiger dismantling Gale will be promoted
in CBI, Reede in FBI and McAlister becomes the sheriff of Napa.

Stiles and Haffner may have had a deal with the
authorities to keep visualize, cause they were not involved in the tiger
killings.

The ritual we saw stiles in, it’s where the bust
for the tigers will take place. RJ was there and managed to escape.

Lorelei and Partridge are no easy subjects to
treat. They are both dead in Jane’s memories, why?

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hey guys, do we really learn who is Red John in tonight's episode? I mean is it confirmed or anything? any comments from writers or Heller? Or are we just assuming it?

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  When Bertram turns out to be RJ  I'm going to scream "I TOLD YOU SO" so damn loud.
(Except if RJ turns out to be Reed Smith, in that case I'm going to cry so damn loud!!)

I think that in the episode 6 final, someone in the tyger tyger trio, I believe  Reed Smith, pulled the shotgun from PJ and shoots him, that's why we listen Bertram's scream "no". Because Bertram=RJ doesn't want PJ killed (at least not by anyone else then him). Then they will hunt Reed Smith, probably make us believe RJ is him, and final, Bertram=RJ is revealed.

I also want to refer, that I re-watched season 3 finale and season 4 e01 and the mall thing doesn't prove Bertram is RJ as some theories present. As we all know by now, he belongs to tyger tyger
so even if he wasn't RJ he would be in contact with RJ, so when Bertram went to the mall with PJ, RJ (being him or not) sent Timothy Carter there, he just had to follow Bertram and PJ, RJ, even if not Bertram, would know everything Bertram knows.
But the "rope" suggestion, it's another case. I think that clearly points to Bertram.

Just think, let's start by the contradiction (this looks like a math proof).
Let's suppose Bertram it's not RJ, then he would be at least an accomplice (tyger tyger), as well as O'Laughlin was, so Bertram (and in consequence RJ) knew PJ plans to fool him with at least two rooms. So what would RJ do? Bertram as CBI director was more valuable as an accomplice than O'Laughlin, RJ wouldn't be stupid and frame Bertram, the CBI director and such a valuable source of information, so O'Laughlin was the obvious guy to frame, but the only thing that lead PJ to O'Laughlin was the rope suggestion given by Bertram, notice that the assassin didn't went to O'Laughlin room first, now, are you really seeing RJ trusting Bertram (don't forget we are imagining RJ is not Bertram, so Bertram would not be the mastermind RJ is) to put that suggestion on PJ head?? PJ the smartest guy on earth after himself ?
No..RJ wouldn't trust nobody else except himself to mislead PJ like that. Bertram, not being RJ, wouldn't be clever enough to do that, and RJ, not being him, wouldn't be stupid to trust him on that, and take the risk of loosing him as an accomplice and valuable source of information.
So, we came to a contradiction, RJ if not Bertrand, wouldn't want to frame Bertrand because he is such a valuable resource, he would choose to frame O'Laughlin, but to frame O'Laughlin he had to depend on Bertram's suggestion to fool PJ, and that doesn't seem to make sense. Meaning...the initial assumption of RJ not being Bertram is wrong. Bertram is RJ, he would be the only one capable of putting a suggestion like that in PJ mind and lead him to O'Laughlin.

The only problem with Bertram=RJ is that anonymous call, to you all that think it's Bertram, how do you explain the anonymous call?
If the  anonymous call was made by RJ than the only possible explanation is that he was trying to lure Lisbon to him, but to lure Lisbon, he had to knew he was being tracked, because Lisbon wouldn't go to the house Brett was if she hadn't see in the GPS tracking system that Brett was there, so RJ had to knew that too, if was his intention to lure her.
But if he knew he was being tracked, why would he leave the phone stopped and so close to Brett house? So, if RJ is Bertram, the only possible explanation I see is that he didn't know he was being tracked, and that mean's he couldn't possible know Lisbon would go to the house Brett was, he was just guessing, if she was alone at the CBI she would probably go etc.. (but that seems bad writing to me) or better, it wasn't him that made the phone call, but then, who did and why?
Damn phone call..

I'm going to miss the find more clues thing and this site o_O

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