Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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CRIMSON HAT S04 E024

Luther Wainwright - Murdered - Kidnapped by RJ - Shot by an agent.

Where was he seen last and how did he get in that car?

He was last seen talking to Susan Darcy in his office.

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As the limousine is about to get away, she shoots for the car. When she opens the door, she finds Luther Wainwright on the backseat and discovers that she killed him.
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How does Luther get kidnapped from his own office?

Someone had to have been in the office at the time I think perhaps CBI Ron. Since (Luther, Ron & Bald guy) were getting on the elevator together - when PJ entered the precinct.

Then the 3 (Luther, Ron & Bald guy) rushed down together to see what the shots were about - When PJ "shot" Rigsby.

Perhaps the "meeting" they were having - which was interrupted by the gun shots - was continued after Susan had words with Luther about the incident.

In which then Luther was kidnapped..

Susan being one of many moles in FBI 

I don't like the idea of Ron being RJ purely because we barely know him. But what do we know of RJ? Nothing we don't know him at all.

Patrick only knows what RJ has left behind.

But RJ knows everything about Patrick. And where better to get to know him than work in the aisle next to them.

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Watch the last episode of season 4 in the church when Jane is with Teresa

" Jane: I told you i can fool him

Teresa: You fooled me alright. "

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Top Suspect: Agent Ray Haffner

Obviously after the most recent episode, Red Barn, Haffner has to be among the leading suspects.  The writers weren't especially subtle about it, considering the tension between Haffner and Lisbon when Lisbon found out Haffner was a Visualize member.  

Then again, the guilty person is rarely who the writers want you to suspect.  

I discuss my reasons for believing Haffner has to be taken very seriously as a top Red John suspect - or if not, someone very close to him - according to criteria I have for Red John. But first are my criteria (in addition to the obvious criteria established in this website's "clues"):

1) Age (45-55) - Red John Must be someone close in age to Patrick Jane, or perhaps slightly older.  He cannot be too much older (ruling out Bret Stiles), because he would not be able bodied enough to fit the character we saw at the end of "Red Sky in the Morning (2-23)," or the relatively youthful hand of "Roy Tagliaferro" we saw at the end of "Red is the New Black (4-13)." Moreover an old fart wouldn't be a suitable nemesis for Jane anyway. Neither would someone younger. We know RJ has to be at least around 45 anyway to fit the timeline established in "Red Barn (5-13)."  

Ray Haffner is the appropriate age.  

2) Charisma/Virtù - The most difficult thing for The Mentalist writers to explain will be why a serial killer has an entire network of fervently loyal, capable, and powerful disciples?  Serial killers simply do not have organizations, especially not vast, well oiled intelligence/influence operations that infiltrate numerous govt. agencies. Historically they have occasionally operated in pairs, but that's about it. A serial killer his own intelligence agency is a major stretch that must be explained.  

So what is it about Red John that enables him to operate as he does and command such cult like loyalty? 

Money? Red John must have at least a modestly significant independent source (serial killing doesn't pay, unless he's a hit-man for hire, but that doesn't fit), but no amount of money can command this kind of cult-like devotion.  

Know what might help Red John inspire cult-like devotion? A cult. Which is why it surely surprises no one that closer and closer ties between Red John and visualize are continually revealed.  

But in addition to drawing from Visualize to inspire his following, Red John must also have a sort of "virtù," as Machiavelli would call it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virt%C3%B9).  A weaselly man such as Timothy Carter could never inspire the devotion of a confident, high achieving guy like Craig O'laughlin as well as other FBI and LE agents.  Nor could he be William Blake's predatory "Tyger." 

Red John inspires such followers with strength, wisdom and intellectual charisma as well as a level of personal charisma.  The wisdom (or perceived wisdom) requirement reinforces that his age is likely in the 45-55 range.  

Ray Haffner is the appropriate age, yet still very able bodied.  He is also relatively handsome and capable of considerable charisma.  He is accomplished, as was established in "Little Red Book (4-02)," having started his career with the FBI Organized Crime Division using "creative surveillance techniques."  

3) Law Enforcement - I am convinced Red John must almost certainly be in law enforcement.  How else could he have so many loyalists in the FBI, CBI, etc.?  The FBI is a very insular organization, and they don't look up to outsiders the way these guys look up to Red John. 

Haffner is former FBI and with his record of success at the FBI, 

4) Other Criteria:

Ray Haffner shakes hands with Patrick Jane the first time they meet in "Little Red Book (4-02)."  He also then puts his hand on Jane's shoulder, a universal sign of condescension.  Haffner has moved in as Jane's boss, and perhaps he has engineered this situation in hopes of recruiting & mentoring Jane much earlier than we realized (in the final episode of Season 5).  There is no question Haffner wants to be Jane's friend. This not only establishes Haffner as someone who shook Jane's hand, but someone who sought to make friends (perhaps "lifelong friends") with Jane as soon as they shook hands.  Haffner also fits because he is someone Jane clearly did NOT make friends with.  

We know that Red John wants to see himself as a mentor figure to Jane. He would view it as perhaps his greatest achievement/victory to bring golden boy Jane into is following and convert him to his own perspectives as he has so lesser challenges in law enforcement.  Haffner's efforts to do the same in "Little Red Book" make Haffner a perfect fit for Red John.  

Haffner is also about the appropriate height - Roy Tagliaferro was around 5'11. Reed Diamond, the actor playing Haffner, is slightly over 6'0. And he has short hair, like Roy, as described by Rosalind Harker.  

As a bonus, perhaps "Roy" is a natural alias for someone actually named "Ray."  For what it's worth "Haffner" means "potter," which doesn't appear to have anything to do with "Tagliaferro" or "Cut Iron."  But perhaps we will see Jane test Haffner at some point by calling him "Roy" instead of "Ray."

Also, consider the actor himself.  Whoever ends up being Red John, the actor playing him surely must be capable of giving us all a satisfactory villain, the way Bradley Whitford did as Timothy Carter. Reed Diamond (Haffner) has shown he can play the straight arrow cop, as he has done in The Mentalist as well as his other work.  But he would also be fully capable of playing one fantastic villain.  Just look at the man's eyes.  

Ray Haffner as Red John just makes too much sense.  Can anyone give good reasons why it isn't Haffner?  I don't think anyone else would fit the bill nearly as well.  

Simon

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The Mentalist” in a nutshell: it’s all been done before.Patrick Jane hits the rocks in Sin City and ostensibly doubts the moral difference between right and wrong (white hat v. black hat), attracting heartless siren Lorelei MAR-tinS, the bird in the scarlet red dress and black winglets, who spreads her wings and tempts him to the dark side of RED JOHN in the “Crimson Hat.“Crimson Hat” is old-hat: The series’ cliffhanger involves yet another mole in the FBI, another CBI “number 1″ gets the boot, and RJ using the old cell phone gag gets away Scott-free. It’s the “Usual Suspects,” and RED JOHN like Keyser Söze vanishes like Jane’s hidden coin trick, “First he’s there, and like that he’s gone.”Et two, Bruno?Either Bruno Heller thinks the viewers have the memory span of a fruit fly or he’s trying to make a point: since the Pilot (through the Looking Glass with the Lyin’ fish – “one man’s fishbowl is another man’s snow globe”) Jane has a split personality like Verbal Kint aka Keyser Söze, and, like Verbal Kint , Jane has been making this story up as he goes. In the end of “Usual Suspects” Detective Kujan realizes with a shock that details and names from Verbal’s story are culled from various objects around the room – including Rabin’s crowded bulletin board and the “Kobayashi Porcelain Company” logo on the bottom of his coffee cup. (Well, call me Cho-bayashi.) Kujan realizes that most of Verbal’s story was improvised for his benefit. (Lisbon likes BOSCO.)Jane: “old cell phone gag”? I invented that right there and then… rather brilliantly, I thought.
Lisbon : Oh, please. I’ve seen that done a dozen times.
Jane : What do you mean? Where?
Lisbon : On TV.
Jane : Well, anything can happen on TV. The question is, where have you seen that done in real life?
Patrick Jane: Life is a million to one. The universe is one big coincidence.
Anybody think it coincidental that Citroen, the car Jane drives, just happens to be the name of the gang member (Citron) suspected in the death of the nameless and faceless shotgun victim, which conveniently provided Jane the Rigsby body double? (Talk about a Crimson Hat.)Anybody troubled by Jane telling Lisbon to pinky-swear not to tell ANYONE about his fake breakdown and then the CBI scoobs are suddenly in on the great deception?Lorelei, on Keston, almost performs a “Verbal Kint” makeover on Jane’s left hand and gets caught on Debonair. Loved the final scene of Lorelei facing her opposite, Teresa Lisbon.Jane (to Lorelei): I know it’s hard to believe now, but you’re gonna talk to us. You’re gonna break down, and you’re gonna tell us everything you know about Red John. You’re gonna sing like a bird. A Scarlet Tanager(NB “Tanager” was the name of the ship in the “Usual Suspects.”)The clever long con of “Usual Suspects” was Keyser Söze’s identity. (Fast Fact: Kevin Spacey revealed that Bryan Singer managed to convince every one of the major actors that they were Keyser Söze. When first screened for the company of actors, Gabriel Byrne (Keaton) was so stunned when he found that he wasn’t Keyser Söze that he stormed off into the parking lot and argued with Bryan for a half hour.)The clever long con of “The Mentalist” was Red John’s identity. As in the “Usual Suspects,” Bruno has dropped more red herrings that cast false suspicion on every character in the show. As in the “Usual Suspects,” the answer was right in front of us the whole time: Jane was Red John, his imaginary nemesis. (Fast Fact #2: The CBI Headquarters is actually the rear entrance of the Pico House, a former luxury hotel and a National Historic Landmark located in Downtown Los Angeles, designed by architect Ezra Kysor.) (FF # 3 Patrick Jane loves Pekoe tea.)Burning clues: Jane appears to be a Sherlock Homes super-sleuth character but in reality is a mental patient who suffers from paranoid delusions due to feelings of extreme guilt in the deaths of his wife and child who were burned as he was (CBI = intensive burn care?) in a horrific car accident involving a driver named Tanner when he failed to stop at a BLINKING RED LIGHT – hence the RJ symbol – while he was driving intoxicated and spends his days watching TV shows, which generate his ideas for the delusional episodes. “The Mentalist” is obsessed with fire, as in half the episodes it plays a significant plot point. “Tiger, Tiger burning bright, they were “Au-burned.” In the “Red Mile” episode Jane arrives at a crime scene outside Auburn, California. Shouts from Alabama football fans of “Roll Tide” first appeared during the Alabama-Auburn Tiger game in 1907. Curiously, a corpse was found in a burned car in “Ruby Slippers,” in which Jane discovers the identity of Fifi Nix, like Jane’s Phoenix, has risen from the ashes of his past life. The fake Jane character in “Red Moon,” where another corpse was found in a burned car, was named Ellis Mars.The Mentalist – Tommy Westphall – Mars and Tin Man ConnectionGreen Tea for Two: Red John is Patrick (green) Jane’s imaginary evil twin, his “perfect symmetry” alter-ego (Jane/John), Professor Moriarty character in a “Tommy Westphall” imaginary world like “St. Elsewhere’s” snow globe and “Life on Mars” that is the dream state of Jane. Roy Tagliaferro (read: “cut iron”) anagram is “court irony.” Ironic that failure to obey a Red (don’t cross) and Green (cross) light will get you a “Crimson Ticket.”Who’s a Lyin’? Jane or Mar-tinsSJane: Perhaps we can see each other again.
Lorelei: That’s not up to me.
Jane: Oh, you have no say in it?
Lorelei: None at all. It’s very “Westphall.”
Jane: I don’t follow you.
Lorelei: I do what Red John tells me to do.
The characters of Rigsby, Cho, Van Pelt and Lisbon are also Jane’s creations ala the “Wizard of Oz;” the Tin Man, Scarecrow, Cowardly Lion, and Dorothy – in reality are the assistants and doctors at the mental hospital and the RJ minions are Jane’s fellow mental patients. In the final scene Jane confronts “Red John” and in an homage to “OZ” awakens from his dream state to realize the true identities of Lisbon et al.

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I think some weird and creepy evidence is Red John's voice in the season 4 finale. Simon Baker's (patrick jane's) voice was obviously used !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_CK_90hei0   A simple pitch correction and you can hear simon baker.  
    I for one hope PJ is RJ.  Perhaps some disassociative personality disorder. What if the Red John persona is aware of the PJ persona...
anyway i hope patrick will have another mental break and realize he's rj. what better place for a child leaving the carnival than a pseudo religion like visualize and working on a farm.
but enough speculation.
    I'd like to hear others thoughts on simon baker's voice being used for RJ in the season 4 finale.

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Theory #1353 • By ekim18
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In the final episode in season 4 Red John meets Jane in a car. He tells Jane in their conversation that he has a friend in the FBI. Now in Season 5 Episode 5 we are taken back to when Jane was hired by the CBI as a consultant after being punched by a CBI agent and feeling sorry for Jane, the CBI lets Jane follow Teresa around and Jane ends up helping her and getting hired. At the end of the episode a FBI agent Alexa Schultz calls Gale and tells him that she would like updates on the Red John case. She also talks about Jane, and offers to be friends with the CBI in trade of updates of the Red John case. At the end she tells Gale that while Jane was off the radar he was at a insane asylum. When Alexa Schultz said that it's good to have a friend in the FBI and Gale agreed I think Gale was thinking that Alexa Schultz could help him get information when needed. And the meeting that Jane and Red John had in the car at the last episode in season 4 when Red John said that he had a a good friend in the FBI, I think he ment that Alexa Schultz was his friend in the FBI. In conclusion I think Gale Bertram is Red John.

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First and foremost, it's important to realize that we're not trying to identify an actual criminal. We're attempting to figure out what's in the minds of the script writers and that of the show's creator. As such, of paramount importance becomes distinguishing the difference between an actual profile and what might be deemed 'best' to capture the attention of a viewing audience. In real life, you go where the evidence leads you while using a profile as a tool along the way. Quite a difference.

Disclaimers aside, I believe the best evidence we're given is the near-constant return of the poem, The Tyger. I can't help but believe that's for a specific reason (well beyond an admiration for Blake's work). Having read the poem in it's entirety, the line that stands out for me is "Did he who made the Lamb make thee?" My guess is that eludes to a long-lost brother of Patrick Jane - one he, at the time, may not have even realized was his brother - back in his carnival days. Perhaps Jane's father kept this from him as a youngster because they were estranged for some reason. This would explain the similarities in personality and habits spoken of, as well as Lorelei's "I'm surprised you two didn't become fast friends when you met"; he and his brother sharing many of the ame family traits. It would also explain why 'Anti-lamb' would keep Patrick alive even though he's had numerous opportunities to kill him. Killing his brother would not rid him of his jealousy or the need to prove himself better/smarter than Patrick. Constantly defeating him and staying one step ahead of him would, and that explains his obsession with Jane. The reason behind the murder of Patrick Jane's family seems obvious as well under this theory. Bad Jane wanted to eliminate what his brother had, but he did not have. It's a classic yin-yang, good vs. evil, Cain v. Abel. If I'm correct, at some point we'll see an increased attention on Jane's carnival days, paving the way for the hint of someone else from his past that he probably remembers, but only in a fleeting way. 'Bad Jane', of course, must have already been introduced to us in order for his identity to have a real impact when the time comes. So Patrick Jane's long-forgotten brother, Bad Jane, and Red John's identity is ... Ellis Mars. Slightly older than Jane, which fits. Same pseudo-psychic background, above-average intelligence, someone that helped Jane on a case, and, cryptically, El es (Ellis) (meaning 'it is' in Spanish, as we saw on the crime seen wall), the red planet, Mars. There you have it!

Now, I also think there's a good chance that Gale Bertram and Grace Van Pelt may very well be 'disciples' of Red John, as Jane often puts it; the former also a Red John possibility, and my 'fall back' pick for Red John's identity, should my main theory prove false. In either case, between Bertram's Blake quote to the media and Van Pelt's verbal defense in a recent episode, it's safe to say at a minimum, they're connected to Visualize. But gun to my head, I'll go with Ellis Mars, he being Jane's evil genius brother. That's my best attempt at infiltrating the mind of Bruno Heller!

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