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There have been yes/no polls about some suspects: Partrigde (a dozen of them), Bertram, McAllister - who is all of a sudden getting real popular based on a 30 sec promo.
Now, I would like to do one for Haffner, who I believe to be the one and only Red John. (I assume there didn't occur a poll for him yet, my bad if there was one before!)
Could be interesting to look back at after the final reveal ;)
GREEN: Haffner it is
RED: someone else
Theory #9511 • by Totally engaged =)
Posted 1 week ago
44 people find it plausible
8 people find it unlikely
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So, no more guessing. Since the writers have proven they will no bring dead back to life, now more than ever I am 100% convinced who Red John is.
First I must admit my first theory had a mixed result where I thought Stiles was involved (as Red John "the mind") Now I am sure he was involved through Visualize, the same way Smith was involved through the tyger-tyger reach out call (for FBI clearance at CBI headquarters)
Who is Red John? Kirkland´s description of their childhood is a pretty damn good start for me. Mom suicides with a razor blade. Dad a saddistic drunk who beat the crap out of them. Michael had a troubled childhood, became an alcoholic as his father, until he met someone, more than a man, a saviour. Someone who only wanted simple things in return, devotion and sacrifice. (Robert Kirkland tells Patrick Red John is that someone. This tipped me off to believe Stiles was Red John "the mind" on my theory 9511) What it does happen is that Michael does meet Stiles and start working at the visualize farm. He learns the Visualize ways to manipulate others souls. Red John is born, his first victim Michael Kirkland. So his body was never found. Red John does his first jobs at the barn and prints his signature for the first time. Then he starts with his seral killings until one day Patrick Jane comes to a TV show and describes him as an ugly tormented little man, a lonely soul, sad very sad. In return Red John kills his wife and daughter. So the nemesis relation starts right after Patrick is released from the insane asylum, where he starts digging for Red John. First he reaches Sac PD where detective Elliot tells him Agent Lisbon from CBI has taken over the investigation. By now Robert Kirkland is already at Homeland. Here is were Red John´s master mind games starts. He starts gathering information about him, using every possible mean. First he uses his brothers Homeland access. At the same time Red John figures out about the blake organization and infiltrates himself. By now he gathers information from Visualize, Homeland and Law Enforcement agencies through the tyger-tyger call. Red John´s master mind game uses all of them to be always ahead of Patrick, playing him, playing with him, he is always ahead. Even now, where we all have been fooled played believing each of those 7 seven suspects is Red John. While he is watching, smiling at us. =)
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And here are some teasers for you to help with the waiting:
- Someone using a phrase "your boyfriend" is gonna make a lot of fans happy.
- Some calls are worth so much more than 300 $.
- At least two people turn out to be much smarter than it seems.
- Some people just need an appreciation.
- Remember the clues? You should.
- "Hi"
- Someone gets to feel like Al Capone.
- It's always good to have Cho on your side.
- Some people are VERY determined to do their job.
Sebastian Kovar −Please tell me if this time (S6EP08-'Red John') it is 100% the real Red John we will find out IN THE END. Or if there still is any doubt about it after completely watching it. And pleeeeaase :) could you describe the moment of the final confrontation just a little for a huuuge PJ-RJ-chemistry fan :)Thank you so much for this article!!
I have no doubts this time. And without any details, the confrontation is absolutely brilliant and the actors work just SO well together!
And you're welcome!
Tr1n1ty86- Thanks for your nice preview! I'm so intrigued now. Just a question, if you may reply it. Is Red John really someone one of 7 suspects?
I think it was confirmed along time ago.
Not asking you about RJ's identity, but could you say if they explain his motivation for the killings he's done? Why he's become a serial killer or what drives him? For me it's probably more important than who he is and I'm afraid the show might not deliver.
Well, there is a great moment in the episode when Jane pretty much describes RJ and in a way, his motivation, by himself. And since he's Jane, well, it fits quite perfectly. I can't really say if there's anything more than that.
DebraFan "Jane is calm, waiting for things to happen"I believe, that by naming Gail Bertram as Red John, Jane has successfully baited Red John into coming out of hiding. Red John doesn't like copycats (remember S2 finale) and murderers who claim that they are better than Red John (remember that old guy killer in S 4/5? who belittled Red John in an interview.) Simply put, he is too egotistical to bear someone else getting credit.
Naming Gail Bertram as Red John definitely sets A LOT of things in motion.
For better or worse.
But I liked Jane approaching things calmly with a kind of...hmm, confidence, I guess.
PL-Do you think we'll all be happy with who turns out to be Red John?
I'm sure there's gonna be someone who won't, but in general, considering how well it's all done, I think most of people will be satisfied with this story.
Does the character who ends up being RJ do a good job of changing his voice to match the old RJ voice we've heard?1 •
At one point the voice is changed and I can't say for sure (cause of the quality and sound changes in the rough cut), but I think it was pretty similar to what we've heard before.
jayroth CarlosDash -couldn't agree more. Does the episode explain why the Lisbon/Patridge scene (towards end of S06E01) is so important? And if there's a reason to show so many scenes of pigeons in the first few episodes of the season1 ?
There's a reference to at least one of these things. That's all I can say.
Whome-Does the episode explain what happened at PJ's house with the explosion?
Oh yes! ;
Sebastian Kovar J−Please tell me if this time (S6EP08-'Red John') it is 100% the real Red John we will find out IN THE END. Or if there still is any doubt about it after completely watching it. And pleeeeaase :) could you describe the moment of the final confrontation just a little for a huuuge PJ-RJ-chemistry fan :)Thank you so much for this article!!
I have no doubts this time. And without any details, the confrontation is absolutely brilliant and the actors work just SO well together!
And you're welcome!
Linda • 11 hours ago−I know that you won't probably answer it :D Will Jisbon fans appreciate this episode as well?
Hmm.. yeah, I think so, some great moments between the two. As long as the fans will remember that it's not the episode focused on them.
Anestis- What i want to ask is a little out of the main issue.Do we know what happened with cristina fraye or whatever's her name?Maybe my question is silly cause i havent watched much episodes but i reeeeally liked her so i need to know :)
I agree, Cristina was a really interesting character and I liked her, but we pretty much know that her story ended back in Season 3.
jayroth −did they show or explain how RJ figure out the list of 7 suspects before Jane himself? This one has been torturing me all summer...
and when did Jane figure out who RJ really is? Is it during the episode? in this season? or way earlier?
The answer to one of these questions is one of my favorite parts, so let's leave it at that! ;)1 •Reply•Share ›
i still hope it is mashburn. not only a hope, he would fit in the profile that we have created from the info we got.
i still think it is mcallister. he fits very well.
but let´s go back to the name of judge manchester. since the promo he is my short list of suspects. maybe he is not the big fish but strongly related to red john hehe.
by the way, for you non european folks. manchester is a city in gb! they have a very famous football club - manchaster united. their color is red. and they are also called the red devils!!! so would fit right hehe
until we reveal the real red john. let´s play a game. feel free 2 join, many already did!
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I still don't understand why Kirkland killed Lennon in the hospital. Lennon most likely knew who red john was. And Kirkland was looking for red john.
Now many will criticize this theory and while i can understand the skepticism, as well as the doubts in the logic i will use, just bear with me and in the end honestly tell me this is not possible.
Patrick Jane's is the one and original Red John.
In the pilot episode, Jane was on television claiming with a smirk that R.J is a sad, lonely little man and in reality Jane is the one and the same. He killed his wife because she figured out he was behind the recent killings of the 8 women and in the adrenaline rush he killed his daughter. His only way out is to portray another of Red John killings.
Television show or not, police do not use a television psychic to find serial killers so i assume Jane made himself part of the investigation by offering his services and that's how he prevented himself from ever getting caught. However, the traumatic expierence of it all caused a severe mental breakdown or possibly a coma in which Jane remains in today.
The character's we see in the show are likely members of the audience during his shows, medical personnel when he was found, as well as reporters, detectives etc during the R.J investigation.
Jane paints this RED JOHN villain as some unknown person whom while he claims to hate and want to kill him, is amused and fascinated at the same time. I know if someone killed my wife, i would never smile and laugh at anything the man that killed her did.
It's funny how when all the people associated with Red John begin to tell Jane about R.J they end up dieing, decide not to tell him, or give him a half-baked clue which he takes off and running with (lorelei in season 5).
Ever notice how many near-death expierences Jane has yet never gets killed or maimed? Sure he has been shot, went blind for a day, survived an explosion but a trained homeland security agent gets put down like a dog?
Also, every time Jane gets closer or starts to delve into too many consequitive cases not involving R.J , the killer himself finds away to attract Jane's focus ?
I would like to point out his unnatural ability to manipulate people into doing what he wants (a power claimed to be possessed by R.J as well)
He wears the same outfits, and for most of the show he would be seen going home and sleeping in the very room his wife and child were murdered.
Jane wins 300,000 dollars at a casino and just gives it away? The man who was once so money hungry he would lie to clients and scam them for money?
I think there is a chance at the end of the season that he could possibly wake up and confess to killing those women.
Not likely the true outcome but hey the identity gets revealed this sunday , might as well have fun with it.