Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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My last post of the night. I was thinking about what someone said earlier, that there are a few hundred of us "obsessed" with this show and the theories and a few million that are watching more leisurely, and a twist for them may not be or need to be as intricate as what we are all discussing. I'll lose a lot of people on this next comment, but I'm not going to dive too much into why, but I am eliminating all but McAllister and Hafner.

I think for the average viewer out there, BP is truly dead and wont accept him coming back. They have to rule out Bertram and Smith after last episode. Stiles is too old. Kirkland didnt know the list of 7 but RJ did. This leaves Tom and Ray.

So the audience already goes in wondering if someone else survived the blast.

I go with Hafner because McAllister is shown in the promo and I got to think that's intentional. It seems to me the best twist for the general viewer will be to reveal Hafner. Yes partially that is me wishful thinking. I want to see him in that kill scene with Jane in the park.

I also like HappyCools "Handshake theory" that eliminates all but Hafner, but I think that theory is somewhat flawed too.

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THIS REALIZATION GAVE ME THE CHILLS, IT WILL FOR YOU AS WELL

Stick with me for 30 seconds, I promise you will know Red John

Red John is Thomas McAllister:

What name did Bertrum use to check into Red John's storage unit? Thomas.

What was in the unit? Red Wine. McAllister is from Napa, wine capital of America. 

Rewatch the episode where patrick rounds up the suspects in his house, and makes them reveal their tattoo.

When they are going to reveal, Bertrum looks directly at McAllister, as if waiting for his approval.
Bertrum, the supposedly highest on the totem pole of the Blake association is the only one taking direct orders from Red John...Smith was obviously left in the dark.

When McAllister revealed his tattoo, there was a creepy, chilling music, and Patrick came to a sudden epiphany like realization..He would have shot him then and there if Stiles hadn't urged him to look at the others...

Take a look at the promo found on CBS Website:

The man breaking through the glass, McAllister, is wearing the same clothes as the man, who perfectly fits McAllister's description walking down the church aisle.

HERES THE KICKER: We know McAllister is religious, when he saved Patricks life, he says "Well hell be a lot closer to Jesus now"... We also know he has a phobia of pigeons, which appear in the promo, on a statue of Mary, and fits sophies description perfectly...

This image shows "Red John" poisoning Rebecca in CBI
The man is dressed in 

https://www.google.com/search?q=thomas+mcallister+red+john&safe=off&espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tb...

hes wearing a sherrifs outfit, someone like mcallister has resources, free time, and could blend in almost anywhere...


ONE LAST THING: 
when the little girl said to patrick "are you giving up yet", it would take someone like a policeman, who can be trusted by small kids, to get a stranger to say that...

I put alot of time into this and dont want it to be buried!!!

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Ok first of all unless CBS people are complete morons they wouldnt reveal who RedJohn is in the promo. Also promo's are basically parts of the next episode cut up and put into different parts made to trick us.
   Now if I remember correctly Jane finally meets RedJohn in a park so whoever showed up in the church isnt RedJohn. More likely a RedJohn accomplice.  Im willing to bet that that Bertam and McAllister are not Red John. Neither is Bob or Michael Kirkland, Rigsby, Van Pelt, Stiles, CBI Ron, Minelli, Mashburn or anybody else not on the list.  
     Is Brett Partridge RedJohn? Maybe? Possibly? However I doubt it. Did McAllister survive the explosion? It certainlly does look like it. That doesnt mean he is Red John. In my opinion it actually proves he isnt Red John. 
     There is something you all are forgetting. Red John has already been to Jane's house and really could return anytime he wanted. This is my theory: The whole reason for RedJohn to kidnap Lisbon was for the sole purpose of bugging her. That way RedJohn can stay a step ahead of Patrick. Now since Lisbon is bugged and she was with Jane most of the time Im willing to bet that he knew they were meeting at Janes house very early on. Since he knew where jane lived RedJohn simply could have went to Janes's house early in the day and planted the bomb. Now I ask you out of the 5 suspects who is the only one with the knowledge of wiretaps and survellience??? Raymond Haffner.  As far as the tattoo goes RedJohn is to smart to be caught with a tattoo and probably faked it to fool Patrick.  Raymond Haffner is RedJohn.

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According to the list
list we have been presented by both PJ and RJ we have 7 suspects,
partridge, Stiles, Hafner, Smith, McAllister, Bertram and Kirkland,
but can we rely on this list or not, I choose to believe that we
can, RJ is one of these 7

 
So the elimination begins
Bertram, McAllister and
Smith is off the list because off what happend in the latest episode
The great red dragon, these are rather high in Blake inc I think
McAllister is the leader, and Bertram is his right hand, who would
take over if something happened to the sheriff, noone know the
identity of all members of this organinasjonen except those at the
top, as none of the subordinating know who is, thats why Reede Smith
does not know that the sheriff and Bertram are the two at the top,
just that they are members and on the same side as him

Then we are left with
Stiles, Hafner, Partridge and Kirkland, all of which are actually
declared dead, quite special, so here it is clearly a dispute, which
is up to us as viewers to figure out, and it comes down to what
happened in the house of PJ during the explosion, all indications are
that Mcallister which stood in the same place as the other two
survivors, bertram and Smith also should survive, and that he managed
to escape from the house in the chaos that arose, they took DNA from
him is not the least bit odd, one gets hurt when there is an
explosion, however, we believe that Hafner and Stiles is killed,
since this is the mentalist I think they both live, so were did the
body parts come from ? , the one other mystery in epsiode 7 Season 6
01.56 we can see that the sheriff looking not up on Jane, but his
other side of the room, behind PJ, which is RJ himself, he is there
to see PJ make a fool of himself,
he has already placed the body parts into space by door and informed
his followers with the tattoo that a bomb will go off, so they can
apply for coverage, when one of his followers and says the cue line
--, no wait,--- that's when PJ shoot for the person who says that,
since he realize that RJ is in the house, but out of sight, in
tulmultene arising Stiles and Hafner manages to escape and crash
almost Lisbon on their way to the house, it can be seen 2:25

 
This is how I have
revived those who at first glance appeared to have been killed in
bomb blast.
 
But there are errors in
this conclusion of the Blake inc is RJ followers, why would RJ put on
the trail of this group, O'Laughlin had no such tattoo, not Lorelei
nor even if they worked for RJ, this I must get back to .

 
But that RJ knows about
PJ's list of seven suspects is no mystery, Lisbon is, in some way
either bugged her office, the team is working on the room, or both,
there must also be a mole in the office working for RJ, and this is
Ron, you probably remember Lisbon Happy memory about a cake left out
in the rain, her response was, I always picture my mum feeding
pidgons for some reason this you can see in the episode Red John out
in rules 16.55 episode, after that pops up constantly doves and a
lady, the most talked about scene related to this is the epsiode 2
season 6 28:46 out in the episode, this is where PJ understand or are
completely aware that Lisbon is in fact bugged and the person who
sits there and feeds the birds most likely is none other than RJ
himself, now dressed to the unrecognizable, like a less attractive
lady.
 
But he can not just go
over to this lady, because what if he's wrong? Or
what if he's right he can not kill this person with so many witnesses
supervising, instead he begins with the long con that will extend
over many episodes.

In episode 3 season 6 to
the sheriff if he was RJ easily have got rid of PJ on the roof, if he
had really wanted to, he did not have to save him from falling, he
could have said, I win you lose, there and then and let PJ fall down
and get away with it by saying that he lost his grip, but he had his
intruksjer clear from the RJ, PJ afraid he is mine and no one else's,
pigeons popping back up there, when Lisbon comes, again reference to
her happy memory, and PJ gets even more certain that RJ is present in
spirit so to speak.

 
So we have Kirkland, he
seemed the very suspicious, and we find out he has a twin brother,
who in some way connected to the RJ, which means that Kirkland kill
all the PJ fake list, which he believes is the real list , to avenge
his brother, who he decided is dead, as he himself says, --in my
heart I know--, and I think this is correct, I think Kirkland is
killed by Reed Smith and his twin brother is actually dead, both of
order from RJ, twin brother because he was disobedient perhaps,
Kirkland because he came too close to the truth, he knew too much, in
too short a time, and that RJ himself said It Is not over before you
catch me or I catch you, ref to PJ, so anyone who gets in the way of
this must die.

 
Now I remembered it about
the tattoo thingy, those who know the true RJ idtentitet has no
tattoo, while those who do not know his face has the tattoo,
therefore, had neither O'Laughlin or Lorelai, tattoo, the other has
never met RJ face to face but always got their orders by telephone,
or through others, who stood RJ closer.

 
This means that Hafner
and Stiles also subject to RJ, but that they is closer than the other
suspects I have written about, they know his identity, they know who
he is, and they see him as their savior, their almighty, he helped
them, to become them they are today without his help they might still
struggled with their demons from the past year, one might also think
that Stiles, considering his age is related to RJ, and therefore not
willing to give him up, maybe not his biological father, but one who
took care of him when he was small and needed a father figure, but
then his true nature came out and Stiles failed to stop him from
becoming a killer,and that he's after that has tried to do good
works with creating Visualize and thus try to save other young people
from the same fate, I
believe that RJ and Hafner first met at Ellis farm and there were
good friends, Hafner was a messed up kid, and RJ as the sociopathic
he is, realized that this was someone he could manipulate and use as
his tool.

So then I explained 6
suspects on the list then there remains only one, my main suspect, I
chose not to think outside the box, I intend to keep my original
suspect, I will not give up until the fat lady has sung, so to
speak.

 
Partridge, the man
who was No. 7 on the list, but who died first, the man who has a
demanding job, but realized that PJ was about to take him and needed
more leeway, the man who is described as a gohul, described as :
Ghoul is a being in
Arabic folklore. They live in cemeteries where
they plunder graves and eating corpses. The word
ghoul's an English rewrite of the Arabic word الغول
(Ghul), which
means demon, let us abide by the first stand, located at burial
sites.

Who keeps on burial sites, the dead, we can also
take the next phrase *where they plunder graves and eat corpses*,
well I will direct your attention with excavators equal, what is
Partridge working on ?he is one of the first in one scene one that
checks the corpse, (graves in the body if you want)

But Partridge are dead you say, well if you just
going to concentrate on those THE CASE episodes we've seen are alive
, not counting the promos are the only two who still live Bertram and
Reede, and they are as I have explained over here definitely NOT RJ,
so if I've managed to wake the others up from the dead, it is not
hard to imagine that someone who works with dead people, which has a
bunch of assistants can fake his own death so that suspicion is no
longer directed at him, and he can play his long con on, in the
belief that he is no longer a suspect and that he will finally get
the confirmation he has been waiting for so long, that PJ will
realize that he has met its over man.

The question then is how this would degenerate in the
episode Red John?

The last we saw of PJ was that he was in a church,
there were at least two other people Tilsted there, a man and a
woman, the man is Bertram, he will explain to PJ, get him to
understand that he had no choice but to obey orders RJ, since RJ has
something on him that could get him fired from his job, as he had at
Reed Smith, he tells PJ that he and McAllister is nothing more than
puppets for RJ, he did not know his identity but have a message from
RJ to meet him at the cemetery and that he (Bertram) will help him to
catch him if he shows him (Bertram) grace, Bertram've said all along
that he would be supervising when PJ takes down RJ , because he is
just curious about who his boss
really is.

 
PJ knows all that Bertram made ​​on RJ orders,
and as already said at a press conference that Bertram is RJ, armed
and dangerous, look no intention of saving his life and is about to
shoot him, when McAllister suddenly appears to shoot Bertram, PJ
shoot sheriff and damage him, but before he gets shot again, he is
knocked unconscious from behind by the mysterious lady who sat behind
in the church, this is the real RJ.

McAllister manages to escape before RJ gets hold on
the ​​weapon PJ had, and he heard Bertram mention the cemetery
so thats were he goes, there is something called Curiosity killed the
cat, and this turns out to be correct in this case,

It takes some time befor PJ is on the way to the
cemetery since he was knocked unconscious, and it is now early
morning, he calls Lisbon and tells how he is on the way, he knows
that RJ eavesdropper her and it's such meeting agreed,
He also calls
so that his team can get to keep the other lawenforcmen people away
so that he can kill RJ in peace, to speak

McAllister is as curious and determined to know who
RJ is, so he disregards the fact that he is an easy target for both
RJ and PJ now that he is injured, and go straight to the cemetery
when he arrives at the cemetery, he sees one that everyone thought
was dead and buried, and realizes that he now stands face to face
with the real RJ and try to escape, this is something PJ witness and
he understand whats is about to happen and start up the hunt for the
both of them, (we dont see RJ identity jsut yet , just a person
dressed as a woman), when PJ finds McAllister is too late, he's dead,
so he returns to the graveyard / park and sit on a bench wating ,
just a few minutes later we see a person get going behind PJ, and on
his way characterize say

 
-Hello Patrick,

Patrick Jane turns and where we see none other than
Bret Partridge, but now more confident in himself, in the belief that
the PJ had never suspected that it was he who would show up, but PJ
certainly has one proof, perhaps one picture of him on it, indicating
that he has always been the only one suspects, which undermines the
Partridge's assertiveness, PJ also beginning to tell when and why he
suspects Partridge, how he met Hafner on the Ellis farm, and made
​​him a of his disciples, how Stiles whole life since has tried
to do good deeds to offset that he took to himself a boy he could not
save etc, and in that way make RJ seems less harmfull, he contiue by
saying that no one will ever know that it is he (PB) who is the
notorious RJ, since everyone (people) want to believe what was said
on presse confress that it was Bertram, and so he also looses he's
status as one of the world's most famous serial killers, he will die
in the knowledge that all would believe he was one victim RJ, which
in reality he actually is, he's one sacrifice for his own
narcissistic behavior, he thought he could out smart the one and only
mentalist!

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Another random thought... The idea of Stiles "knowing more than both PJ and RJ" could tie in nicely with a theory whereby Jane agrees to disapear Stiles (and maybe Hafner too) in exchange for info. Perhaps Stiles has RJ-pertinent info but doesn't know who exactly is RJ. Bear with me...

Maybe Stiles knows about the Blake Assoc. (maybe somehow he knows this through Visualize spying or some other way). Stiles trades that info to Jane.
Jane agrees and now knows the 3-Dots are not RJ but rather just the dirty cops. Stiles agrees to play along with PJ's "hoax" at the house so long as nobody is killed. So maybe no one in the house is killed and the dead bodies are cadavers with planted DNA...for this to bear out, either Hafner and Stiles have to plant their DNA and maybe McAllister cuts of his hand or something to leave his and to get away (since they now know hes Blake Assoc...). Another option is that McAllister calls in a Blake favor and has the lab lie about the DNA...

That's about as far as I get with this thought...I also am not saying any of this is what I think will happen. I just want to throw out a group of ideas.

I always comment for all of you folks, so I'd love to get some thoughts on the pieces involved here..

As I said before, I think Stiles is the one that says "No, wait" before the bomb goes off. So is he saying that to Jane so he doesn't shoot? DOes he say it to the guy sitting next to him (Hafner-with a detonator...)


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Theory #12920 • By Stoopkid
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Ok so i just concluded that the bomb in janes house had to go off after jane was unconscious. When he tries to recollect what happened it stops right before the gunshot. Jane bertram and smith all survived becuase they were in the house when it exploded . They were placed there . Styles haffner and macalister fakes their deaths. One of em is shot it dead from that shot . The bomb was a elaborate scheme to most likely fake styles death as he arranged with patrick earlier it seems . I think macalister is helping jane . Hes the only member of tiger tiger who seemed to like jane and want to help him . He doesn't seem to be merely helping jane because he is guilty from tt and wants to know what jane is on too. I get the feeling he legitimately wants to help jane find rj. Now rigsby and van pelt may be styles followers and set the fire to help
Styles. I dont think pj was in on it since he has no memory of how it went down. If van pelt and rigsby helped him does that make him rj? Idk but i doubt it . Styles has other motives . Being jesus for his church is top priority. Haffner also could of helped since he obvi follows styles . Either rj is styles or someone not in the house . Hmmm

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I don't have a clear picture of who Red John is, however I want to add something. Why would the producers add the scene of Stiles doing the "blood ceremony" for no reason? I feel like that has some relation with Red John, though I doubt that Stiles is RJ? Connected, yes.

Agree? Not so much? Comment please!

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