Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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This is the first (and probably last) time I submit anything here, even though I've been reading all of your theories for a long time. Thanks for the good stuff. You've helped me build mine. 

So let's just make things clear about Bob Kirkland's twin, Michael. 

What makes him a good Red John, from the producers' point of view:
- He would be an awesome excuse for "not deceiving" the viewers about the list of 7 while having a plot twist. His face was there all the time.
- In spite of not having any horns or nails on his face like Timothy Carter said, there's something creepy about him. Besides him, the only one who's creepy is Partridge...HOWEVER, while Partridge definitely does not, Kirkland looks exactly as smart and arrogant as Jane. In the same way. And this is what they were looking for, when they say Red John and Patrick are similar in many ways;
- His first appearance, as well as everything he does after that, is clearly displayed as something important to the plot, like they want the general public to take him into account so they don't think it's out the blue. They even play a creepy song when we see him for the first time (besides the flashback), at Lisbon's office; 
- We need a story. We need a reason. He can't just be Red John because he was born evil. And the Kirkland brothers are the only ones who have already had their motives exposed on the series. If they let Red John's story to be fully revealed after they catch him, with no flashbacks, things that were there all along, it'll look damn sloppy;
- Bruno said that Red John was there from the very beginning, and that's what makes people believe that it's not him. Do you remember episode 5x05 Red Dawn? It's from when Jane first joined the CBI, years ago. And who's there? Kirkland. And he was up to something.

What makes Michael Kirkland the best Red John we could possibly get
(even if it turns out he's not the one)

- As I've said, he has motive.
We all know Red John was a member of Visualize.
Visualize is known for "saving" people from drug and alcohol abuse.
Bob said everything to Jane before he died:
His father was a drunk. He used to hit him, his brother and his mother.
His mother killed herself  'cause she couldn't take it anymore. With a razorblade.
It is common knowledge that serial killers get ther M.O.s from a traumatic experience. So, the mother and the razorblade can be the answers to these questions:
Why does he kill women?
Why does he like to cut them open?
Also, Bob said that his brother went for the bottle after his father drank himself to death. And this is why he joined Visualize. 
Bob never really found his brother. He just felt his brother was dead. 
The quotes "Have you seen me before? Are you sure?" to Jason Lennon, before killing him, and "Do you recognize me?" to Panzer aren't there for no reason. Michael Kirkland could have used his brothers' ID. We don't even know if it was Michael or Bob with Jason Lennon.
- In episode 6x01, we know that Red John was the one to abduct Lisbon. With a taser. We also know for sure that Kirkland abducted Panzer. With a taser.
- Why is Red John so hard to catch? So hard to ID? Probably because he does not lead a social life. Like he's presumed dead. And he sure as hell doesn't have a job, like the guys on the list.
- Don't you think the Timothy Carter story needed a little more explanation? Why did he pretend he was Red John? Of course, because Red John told him to. But I don't believe this was the only time. I believe Timothy Carter used to play Red John whenever he needed to meet someone in person, so they couldn't ID him (as he is presumed dead) or frame his brother.
- Let's not forget the pine, guys. Rosalind Harker said Red John smelled like pine. Michael Kirkland (yes, Michael, not Bob) owns a farm surrounded by pines.
- The carnival thing. Jane grew up like that. He didn't have a place to call home. And so did the Kirkland Brothers. Bob said they used to move in and out, all the time. Maybe that's the connection between him and the happy memory?
- The guy whistling in the hallway in 6x07, while Jane is questioning the cop, looks like a Kirkland.
- The voice matches perfectly, mainly in 6x01, when he answers Teresa's phone.
- C'mon, guys, that bloody poem has to mean something, right? 
"What immortal hand or eye 
Could frame thy fearful symmetry? "
Symmetry. Twins. The good one and the evil one.

When Jane drops his teacup, it looks like he remembered something. Framing Bertram was obviously a strategy to distract people or to draw Red John's attention, and Reed can't possibly be him. Jane has another theory going now. 


I would totally buy that. I wouldn't feel disappointed. I can't say the same thing about any of the other suspects.
I feel anxious in a weird way. I'm a little afraid I won't like it. They've set our expectations too high.

Cheers from Brazil! 

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Ok. If you don't think Partridge is Red John, you think Patrick is going to catch Red John using a plan he makes up on the spot. You're effectively calling Patrick a dumbass, you're saying Red John is psychic and Bruno Heller made up a crappy ending.

Partridge is Red John. "The game's over and I won." That is Jack Plotnick. It was not the guy in the church saying that line. It was Partridge in the park.





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Yeah, it's McAllister. I hate the fact that I have to choose him, because it's so insulting to know that he was picked pretty much at random and then the episodes of season 6 have been rushed and filled with several new "clues" pulled out of a goat's butt to make him fit... but it's him, there's no arguing with transparent facts (and CBS's goof in the latest promo).

Damn. I wanted Red John to be an imposing figure. I even was hoping that maybe it would be someone planted in the show deliberately since the very beginning (and I think it actually was so, and then the idea was abandoned, but I digress).

Instead, he's a glorified extra from five seasons ago - a random hillbilly who sounds like a drunk and can't win a freaking game of rock, paper and scissors.

And no, I don't care that we'll get an obligatory "explanation" that it was all just an amazing act. (Who wants to bet that it will be complete with some stupid reference to that rock-paper game? Or that his hick accent will be "explained" as acting, too, and tied to the fact that Red John's voice sounded so different whenever he spoke to Patrick.)

This damn random background character was originally a dumb hick, and I don't care if next week he's going to be forcibly retconned into a flying bulletproof Albert Einstein with Joseph Stalin's homicidal urges. A dumb hick he will remain.

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Someone mentioned the change scene from this last weeks episode as being important and I have thought that from the moment that I saw it. While everyone else was focused on the tea cup breaking, which I viewed as a symbol of everything coming to an end and this phase of The Mentalist crashing into a thousand pieces and to never be the same again. I thought the change seen was odd and out of place. I thought it was a message for Patrick to meet whoever at the church. It has been my belief that there was a Saints medallion among the change and now I'm sure of it. I did some research on churches in Sacremento and discovered that one is Saint Paul's Cathedral. In the change was a medallion of Saint Paul, which is what led Patrick to that specific church.

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Okay so this is the first time I am posting a theory and it comes from the perspective of a PR specialist that does teasers, promo's and such for a living.

Just like Batman is the real person and Bruce Wayne is the mask, I believe RJ is the real personality with Patridge being the mask. So when this page and producers say "its not Patridge", its not the same thing as saying "its not this actor" they are just saying this character is not the killer, his alter ego is.

A play on words perhaps?

If Patridge the person and the actor playing him are truly really genuinely gone from the show, then its McAllister and if not, I'm dead sure its Patridge.

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Theory #13226 • By thementalistfan101
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Last night I had a dream.

PJ found RJ's house which had a long tunnel and the walls were all painted red with lots of smiley faces. He goes in and finds Partridge. Turns out Partridge is an accomplice for the real RJ, who turns out to be Van Pelt. Cho then comes in and it turns out he is also an accomplice of RJ - or Van Pelt - and kills everyone.

Fin

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I'm thinking more and more of this Ron being Red John...always around (in important episodes) without talking much, and corresponding to the portrait and clues we have (no?). He meets Bertram at the hospital (6'39') where he can go as he is not suspected. He knows the troubles the discovery of the Blake association made and can walk freely during this time, as nobody knows he is part of the association, not even Bertram and Smith.

Bertram and Smith are n°1 suspects by the CBI so Bertram escapes because under the name of the organization, he took part into reprehensible acts. But he is not Red John, nor Smith is.

So I think Ron is part of Blake association which is a great cover as it counts many members. Bertram and Smith don't know he is part of it.

He can also be Bob kirkland's brother.

 What do you think ?

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