GREEN= McAllister is 100% Red John
RED= Another suspect will be revealed on Sunday
GREEN= McAllister is 100% Red John
RED= Another suspect will be revealed on Sunday
Sunday night, The Mentalist revealed the identity of serial killer Red John.Yeah, and it’s going to snow monkeys next Tuesday.Seriously, CBI director Gale Bertram is the guy who killed the wife and daughter of title character Patrick Jane?Bertram, a bald, aging petty bureaucrat, who seems more interested in image than criminal behavior, is supposed to be a brilliant sadistic psycho capable of mesmerizing beautiful women?Assuming you never know who's really dead on TV, who do you think is Red John?* indicates suspect is thought to be deadCBI director Dale BertramInvestigator Ray Haffner*Homeland Security agent Robert Kirkland*Sheriff Thomas McAllister*Forensics analyst Brett Partridge*FBI agent Reede SmithCult leader Bret Stiles*OtherView ResultsThe show, all about Jane outsmarting everybody but Red John, will wind up as your basic manhunt, with a three-dot shoulder tattoo the whoop-de-doo big clue?Not buying it. TV doesn’t work that way. The Mentalist hasn’t worked that way.Supposedly, the final answer will be given Sunday night on CBS in "Red John: The Final Chapter" (if late afternoon NFL football doesn’t delay the whole lineup too much)."Red John doesn't make mistakes,” Jane said early in season two. “He doesn't leave clues. If you have new evidence, it's because he wants you to have it. The question isn't what does it mean? It's why did he give it to you?”Again and again, Red John fooled his pursuers. He tricked Jane into killing an impersonator in a mall. Red John let the FBI believe he was escaping in a limo, and a previous CBI director wound up dead, with Red John on the other end of a cellphone duct-taped to the body.Red John even pulled a baffling trick in which a recording suggests he knew Jane’s list of seven suspects before Jane did. After, Lorelai Martins was his mouthpiece and she was dead!True, the math suggests Bertram’s the only suspect left, with FBI agent Reede Smith appearing to be a flunky and a target, and the five other suspects in the grave.Mentalist creator Bruno Heller has assured us that Red John is one of seven men: Bertram, Smith, forensics expert Brett Partridge, cult leader Bret Stiles, freelance investigator Ray Haffner, Homeland Security agent Robert Kirkland, and Sheriff Thomas McAllister.“Yes, we can trust that list,” Heller told Entertainment Weekly, adding, “... I would say that definitively: Jane is not Red John.”The suspicion here is that Red John is once again trying to dupe law enforcement into killing the wrong man.And Patrick Jane knows this.Maybe that’s why Jane says he’s “letting go” at the end of the latest episode,“The Great Red Dragon.” (The title, by the way, is a reference to a series of paintings by poet William Blake of a seven-headed beast mentioned in the book of Revelations.)Maybe that’s why he tells gal-pal agent Teresa Lisbon that it’s “a waste of time” to worry about a coded list found in Bertram’s possession.Yes, Bertram’s a bad boy, perhaps even the head of the Blake Association, a ring of corrupt law-enforcement agents. That role alone is enough to explain his having a secret room full of weapons and documents, including fake passports. But where’s the brilliance? Or the deeply twisted soul?We’ve seen Jane play possum before, feigning being down and out in Vegas until Martins showed. Soon she was telling Jane how much he and Red John should have been friends, how they still could be – if Jane would just bring him Lisbon’s head.Lurking in the shadows, the cat enjoys seeing the mouse do some killing.(Jane showed carting a box containing a melon with a wig.)An evil genius doesn’t explode a bomb in a room while he’s in it, risking being killed by flying debris or subsequent fire. That casts doubt on all five suspects who were in that room on Jane’s property during the explosion.So who could have been lurking, watching from a safe distance, if Heller's list is honest?Either of the first two dead suspects.Yes, we saw Robert Kirkland shot several times in the back, but remember how he said he had a twin? Michael Kirkland supposedly worked with Red John and then was killed by him. But consider the old twin switcheroo, with the dead dude actually being Michael, who used his brother’s identity and cleaner record to land a career in law enforcement? That leaves Robert still alive and capable of being Red John.One flaw: Kirkland asked if he looked familiar, talking with a Red John associate, who said no. Maybe plastic surgery fixed that?That leaves Bret Partridge.Funny how we never actually saw him die. He acted and looked mortally wounded early this season when he was discovered by agent Lisbon, who turned away, then got snatched from behind.Funny how pigeons are seen in that house, and pigeon and partridge are synonyms.Funny how Partridge sounded the most like Red John.Funny how Partridge was introduced as a marginal character in the very first episode.Funny how agent Kimball Cho, on the last show, seeks out Partridge’s body and checks for a shoulder tattoo but never peeks at Partridge’s face.How could Patridge still be alive, while Lisbon and her colleagues clearly believe he’s dead?Uh, how about because, as we know, there’s a vast conspiracy adept at lying and faking evidence? How about because Partridge, as a forensic scientist, would know a thing or three about faux cadavers?The not-dead-yet scenario is also the way to explain the recording of Lorelai Martin naming the suspects. She simply made the recording after Jane made his list because she's still alive.Misdirection, made to look like magic.Makes sense for Red John to use such a ruse – and later set off a fuse to create a no-lose situation. If Jane dies, Red John wins. If everybody dies, Red John must be dead (but isn’t). If a suspect survives, he’ll wind up dead in a manhunt. Regardless, he’s alive.One big problem: Something Heller said before the season.“I can tell you it won’t be a sort of Ten Little Indians type of setup,” he told Entertainment Weekly.That Agatha Christie story, turned into a movie, has everybody on an island killed off one by one, with the killer turning out to be a supposed victim.Darn, I wish show’s producers and writers would refrain from spoiling some of the fun this way.It would fun to still be conjecturing about Red John being Grace Van Pelt.So if it’s not Bertram, isn’t Agatha Christie-like, and the Kirkland theory is too wacky (as are clones and zombies), then who? Another kind of identity fakeout? Some other so-and-so was really someone else? The Ray Haffner we knew was a Red John plant, while the real (and real twisted) Ray Haffner did the devilish deeds?Reede Smith had himself shot at to cover his tracks?Or “Red John” isn’t one person. It’s some kind of collective term. They all done it, like a seven-headed dragon? Maybe Martins and others who thought of Red John as just one man, because they’d met only one of the men.Whatever the outcome, after Sunday’s show, it will be time to move on.Supposedly the series will skip a couple of years, and pick u
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For those who love the "Hitler Rants Videos".
Here is Adolf Hitler's Reaction to this disappointing episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGmpRBLVCqc
Bruno Heller said that RED JOHN is in the list of the seven suspects. So the identity of Bob kirkland may be associated with himself or his twin Michael.
"HE IS M. ..." probably wanted to say "HE IS MICHAEL KIRKLAND"
In the image of the seven suspects, "Bob/Michael" Kirkland is the only one to have a particular color in red (the tie).
Look at the picture: http://oi39.tinypic.com/2gy36t0.jpg
Red John is "Michael/Bob" Kirkland.
First of all, where's my prize for getting it right (for the most part)?
"Jane chases Mcallister into the Park. Dumps muffins all over him and he gets mauled by pigeons. Mcallister has panic attack from his fear of pigeons and faints. Patrick Jane ties him up and holds him down. Tom wakes up and Jane slices him up. End Scene."
http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/11157
Second of all, I found some pictures of the real Red John as a child, and as an adult. The second one was the trigger that made him start brutally murdering "chicks". View comments section for pictures...
Hang on Did Jimmy Gadd actually apologize for fans spoiling the episode for other people lmao. That crock of crap? That's called deflection. WE should get an apology from Heller telling us that he sorry for that dull, unimaginative and half arsed episode. He should be damn sorry for his laziness. He should be sorry that his episode is so bad that people actually believe that it's a comedy, that it couldn't possibly be the real one. He should apologize for lying in interviews, for saying he had a plan when he didn't.
If he doesn't apologize then I will. I'm sorry fans of the mentalist that your loyalty was not rewarded. That we didn't get the quality that we deserved. That Heller's profile of Red John wasn't near as imaginative or developed or as intelligent as ours were. I'm sorry for the actors, it was the material they had to work with. Berkeley thinks he will go down in history as a super villain but it's been tarnished by the joke that Heller revealed as Red John.
Mostly I'm really sorry that I can't buy the boxsets and sieve through the clues and say " Ah that is why that happened, that explains that" or I can't say " wow that was genius".
Before this I thought this as one of the best shows that I had ever seen. I mean the clues were so carefully thought out placed ( or so I thought). If you googles something anything it would lead you to the word red or something similar. Wow I thought. But now I know that that was all in our heads.It that was just coincidence, it wasn't planned, it wasn't carefully thought out, it wasn't a masterpiece. It was a crock of shit. There was no plan. There was no twists no turns no master profile of red john. Anybody could throw in a few red herring to confuse people without anything behind them or them leading to anything. It was all in our heads. It was us that were the geniuses making out Heller was a genius but when the time came to prove he was....lol...he fell flat.
I'm sorry it was such a disappointment.
The super villain that was Red John was just shat on by a pigeon.
First off, I should say, I’ve only watched the “McAllister
is Red John” episode. The Sunday episode, I haven’t seen.
This post contains information about Sunday’s
premiere of the “Red John” v1 episode, and what you can expect to happen. (At
end)
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Common Mentalist Misconceptions- This goes from
very simple to more complex explanations.
The alternate episode is the only episode.
Wrong. This is the
biggest episode in the history of the show. Creating an alternate ending blocks
every chance of leaks from media, and provides a hilarious twist. As a
Mentalist fan, you should be able to spot a trick when you see one. Shame on
you, if you still think it’s real.
Gale Bertram, Thomas McAllister and Reede Smith
are bad guys.
Wrong. Gale Bertram
and Robert Kirkland have been working together before Bertram was even director
of CBI. Kirkland meets Minelli in season 2, and it is only after this meeting
that Minelli retires. Minelli and Kirkland decided it would be appropriate if
Bertram, a spy in Tyger Tyger, could go up the ranks in law-enforcement. This
would allow him to be entrusted with more information on the conspiracy.
In the meeting of 3
suspects (Reede, Bertram, McAllister), they are discussing how they will
organise the arrests of members of Tyger Tyger.
Reede Smith shot Robert Kirkland
Wrong. He shot
Michael. Look at the beer belly! You think Patrick Jane is a real psychic, and that’s
how he knew what Tyger Tyger was when he was interviewing Reede Smith? Nope. Robert Kirkland, who is still alive told
him. More to come on this…
Gale Bertram calls Red John after Patrick
invites him to the meeting at his house.
Wrong.Gale Bertram
calls Robert Kirkland. At this point, Kirkland briefs Bertram about his large
role in Patrick’s plan.
Red John blew up the House
Wrong. Bob Kirkland
comes in from the other entrance to Patrick’s house and provides surrogates for
the 3 who will “die.” Kirkland has already briefed all 3 spies in Tyger Tyger
(Bertram, Reede and McAllister) meeting about Patrick’s plan. So in the house,
they are just acting. Bob Kirkland and Thomas McAllister kidnap Bret Stiles and
Ray Haffner. Bob Kirkland remains in custody of Bret Stiles, the man who brainwashed
his brother. Kirkland will get his revenge. You see a larger vehicle stopping opposite
Teresa’s speeding car. Robert Kirkland is in there and uses that chance to call
Patrick Jane, and tells him to get ready to blow up the house. Then Reede and
Smith immerse themselves in their roles as fugitives.
The gunshot heard and
the man screaming is Patrick scaring Haffner. Teresa’s phone in Patrick’s car
gives the impression to Red John that Patrick shot Haffner. The explosion is to
suggest Stiles died too.
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UNIVERSAL MISCONCEPTION: Gale Bertram is still a really bad guy in
Great Red Dragon!
This requires a bit of reading… and
re-watching.
Phase One of Bertram’s Role: Convince Red John
he’s on his team. Bertram first waits
for Teresa. He gets ready to “kill” Patrick, by ordering Teresa away. On cue, Jane wakes up and Bertram leaves. Jane
and Bertram have created the illusion that Bertram was going to kill Patrick. Teresa
Lisbon is bugged, and her reaction transmits to Red John.
Phase Two of Bertram’s Role: Leave behind a
Flash Drive for CBI
The flash drive
contains names of people in the Blake Association. But it doesn’t contain every
single name obviously.
Phase Three of Bertram’s Role: Keeping up
appearances. (Requires rewatching)
Bertram looks scared
in the pub- he realises what he has to do for the next part of the plan….
Bertram orders ice for
his scotch. Later, Gale Bertram smashes a bottle on the bar guy’s head. The
barman’s head twists in such a manner that blood splatters on the right arm of
Bertram. After that the camera angle is used to deceive viewers. Bertram isn’t
glassing the guy’s neck. He’s breaking something to bathe the barman’s head in
ice.
Robert Kirkland’s
agents sweep in and save the man, sending him medical attention for head
injuries. They replace the Bar Man with another person, much like Jane faked
the death of Rigsby in season 4.
Then Bertram goes to
his residence in Citrus Heights. Kirkland has already planted a SWAT suit in
there. Then Kirkland calls all SWAT
divisions there to facilitate Bertram’s escape. Patrick uses this opportunity
to call out “He’s one of them.” Teresa is near. The message is transmitted to
Red John that Patrick still thinks Bertram is Red John.
The Next Phase of Patrick’s Plan: Luring out
Red John
Patrick and Kirkland
agree with the flash drive in possession, its best to shut down CBI, and let
agents who definitely aren’t rogue, deal with upcoming Blake Association
arrests. Kirkland asks Alexa Schultz’s FBI to take over.
They’ve got the flash
drive. Kirkland’s got information about Red John from Stiles and Haffner. Kirkland
gets his opportunity to exact revenge on Stiles.
Patrick has his board
set. He doesn’t need to do much to lure
out … dare I say it…. Partr….nah. I’ll just say Red John is well and truly
played already.
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Things explained in “Red John.” (original version)
-Visualize Barn – why the murders were really
never reported (Stiles + Tagliaferro #1 + RJ’s “connection”)
-Ray Haffner’s crucial involvement with Red
John (How RJ was ahead/ How RJ was in 2 places at once/ How he faked his death
in the season premiere)
- How Partr… Red John’s descriptions from
Rosalynd + Sophie Miller were exactly accurate and why Patrick’s “list” had no
hint of their use
- Roy Tagliaferro both is, and isn’t Red John.
Who “Tagliaferro #1” and “Tagliaferro#2” are, is explained. The “switch”… One
Roy killed Lorelei’s Sister. The Other Roy killed Jane’s family.
-Patrick’s Master Plan; Deception + Misinformation
= Red John actually was “in the bag” as Patrick said in episode 5 to Ray
Haffner
- PJ/RJ. Why RJ never wanted to kill Jane.
- Red John and Patrick Jane come face to face;
how long Patrick Jane has known RJ’s identity is the biggest surprise.
- Almost all clues are explained implicitly, “He
is ma” and such. Bosco’s dying words are shown for the first time