Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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A lot of people are asking why McAllister would deny being Red John - IMO the answer is simple, to see if Jane could tell he was lying. He looked him right in the eye and lied (and yes, Jane could tell)

I do have a bit of a love hate relationship with the whole pigeon thing. I love it in the sense that it shows us that Jane knew McAllister was RJ and that he would reveal himself in the church.  I hate pretty much everything else about it though. Lets be generous and say Lisbon planted the pigeon along with the gun so it was already there in the church, a gun strapped under a pew could go unnoticed but a pigeon? I don't think so. There is no way its going to stay quiet and still and wait patiently to be thrown in the face of a serial killer. And if the pigeon was hidden in the church with the gun, why use it at all, its only purpose (aside from telling the audience PJ knew who the real RJ was) was to distract him long enough to grab the gun. I guess its a nod to stage magicians pulling doves out of hats (or whatever) but there is no way he's concealing a live pigeon under that suit, especially not all the way from the park. I guess we have to go with willing suspension of disbelief on that one.

The other reason to hate it of course is the "Big Clue" from episode 1, the house full of pigeons was supposed to be the clue but at the same time its also the reason to discount McAllister as a suspect because he wouldn't have been in a house full of birds when he's afraid of them.

All in all, the only thing that really disappointed me about the episode was the choice of suspect. Prior to being on the "the list", he appears in 1 episode (as a red herring for the real killers too!)  for a total of like 5-10 minutes of air time. He's a total throw away character. But of the list of 7, only 2 have been there since the beginning. I would have preferred it to be partridge just because he was in more episodes. It seems unfair to the audience to make RJ be such a minor character that's never seen again until after the list is revealed. I guess Bruno Heller wanted to make it someone no-one suspected. Not a single theory on this site even considered him until after the list.

I see 2 possibilities for how RJ knew the names on the list. First, its a fairly standard mentalism trick, they show patrick demonstrating the basic principle in season 1 - when he asks Lisbon to picture a shape inside another shape and guesses correctly. Derren Brown did a similar thing in one of his shows - it was a fake ghost hunting thing and they showed how he selected the participants (basically excluding anyone who didn't pick the things they were being nudged towards, leaving him with only the most malleable people), they were given an array of photos and he talked to them while they looked at them, they were supposed to be identifying the ghost or something and most picked the same picture (I did too at home).
The other option is more mundane, its a simple matter of deduction. RJ knew what clues PJ had, they had all the same information its not a total stretch to think they'd come to the same conclusion.

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Maybe it doesnt matter now, but fuck, look straight into McAllisters eyes. Creepy as hell.
http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131118063040/thementalist/images/7/78/Image.jpg

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SIMON BAKER interview post Red John airing:

Baker:You want to know something I've never talked about?

TV Guide Magazine: Hell, yeah!
Baker: All those times we heard the voice of Red John? That was me.


TV Guide Magazine: Seriously?
Baker:
Yes! In the Season 2 finale, when Jane was captured and Red John did
that "Tyger, Tyger" thing with the mask on? That was me. I played both
characters in that scene.


TV Guide Magazine: Wow. That's especially trippy considering there was a major theory going around that Jane was Red John. So in a way that turned out to be true!
Baker:
That was the reason I did that. There was a point where Bruno was
saying, "We don't know who we're going to cast to play [the masked Red
John]." I said, "Don't cast anyone! I'll do it." Bruno was, like, "I
love it! I love it!" So I put on a mask and did that funny, wispy little
voice. And for seasons after, whenever Red John spoke, I had to go
record the voice.

 
Link to full interview: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mentalist-Simon-Baker-Red-John-1073837.aspx

So it seems we've all been duped guys. The story arc was never well thought out, nor planned beforehand. It was just a series of cliffhangers pulled out of a magician's hat (fitting?) designed to keep us glued to the show for the next "clue".

Just another average, run of the mill show, with some brilliant, well executed and memorable stand-alone moments. It dragged on way past its expiration date post season 3 finale, as most of us felt but couldn't bring ourselves to admit because of the potential redeeming feature of the Red John reveal.

I thoroughly enjoyed visiting this site all this time, and glad that I even took a small part in it. I believe it's time to leave this show behind us. It is now evident that the story has no answers, no potential wrap up. Even if it eventually gets one, we'll know now that said wrap up was thought out AFTER the story ended. Personally I wouldn't care for that, I prefer all your theories better.

All you guys have been wonderful, even the hotheaded ones. I attribute that animosity of some people towards others as merely passion for the show, which is acceptable.

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I got the impression that Heller dragged it out for so long because he didn't know what to do with Red John or who he would be.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mentalist-Simon-Baker-Red-John-1073837.aspx

TV Guide Magazine: What does this gruesome triumph do for Jane? Often when we get what we want, we find out it's not what we wanted at all.
Baker: "Protect me from what I want!" My wife has that saying on a little plaque in our kitchen. That's the catchphrase I took to [series creator] Bruno Heller and said, "This is what we have to do as the show moves forward. We have to deal with the comedown, the disappointment, the loss of focus." It's that meandering feeling you get after you've achieved the very thing that's driven you for years. Okay, you got what you wanted. What now?
 

Baker:
 You want to know something I've never talked about?
TV Guide Magazine: Hell, yeah!
Baker: All those times we heard the voice of Red John? That was me.
TV Guide Magazine: Seriously?
Baker: Yes! In the Season 2 finale, when Jane was captured and Red John did that "Tyger, Tyger" thing with the mask on? That was me. I played both characters in that scene.

TV Guide Magazine: Wow. That's especially trippy considering there was a major theory going around that Jane was Red John. So in a way that turned out to be true!
Baker: That was the reason I did that. There was a point where Bruno was saying, "We don't know who we're going to cast to play [the masked Red John]." I said, "Don't cast anyone! I'll do it." Bruno was, like, "I love it! I love it!" So I put on a mask and did that funny, wispy little voice. And for seasons after, whenever Red John spoke, I had to go record the voice.

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I am not convinced about the ending.
It does not give any answer to anything.
This is a disaster and I think Bruno heller should never do anything in his life that has to do with movies or series..This guy  is crazy.

1- Bret Stile has truly Psychic Abilities and can know about the list. (Thats the only possibility)
2- Bret Stiles is the only one who can influence people and make them go suicide for him, as throughout the history religion, after life mystery is the most convincing reason that people will go to wild extremes.
3- Bret Stiles gives satisfactions for people who follow him.
4- Bret Stiles done murders before as FBI was investigating him
5- Bret stiles has the most powerful connections with Law-Judges-FBI-Police.
6- Bret Stiles is the only one who can hypnotize Christina Fyre.
7- Bret Stiles was holding a holy Cup of blood and drew a face on a girl in the meeting.
8- Bret Stiles can cover the gaps of un-answered riddles in the Show as to what Boscow said..ect..
What was the mistake that Red John did.
9- The 3 dots can mean they are close followers of the Leader which is Bret Stiles and they do anything for him.

Disaster of the show.

No one can know about the list unless he was Psychic...thats the truth.
Why they put clues on the show that they didn't get anywhere? Like Rosalinda's Description?
He is Ma  (There is confusion between r and C)
The List of seven people? Ah so McAllister suddenly became Psychic? Oh come on.

Guys any hints that Red John is not on the list? And he is actually not yet killed? And the sheriff is not red john but he died for Red John? As happened with Timothy Carter



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Just updated www.red-john.info 

If this is your first visit, make sure you read the content between leak and air as well http://www.red-john.info/index2.html

Also don't forget to watch the video at the top of the page


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I stay in India, and I haven't watched the episode yet, but have read about McAllister being RJ and i must say, it makes me not wanna watch this episode at all. This was not at all expected. Revelation in the middle of the season, is something which is a little strange. They wouldn't do this, because obviously the viewership is gonna go down. if they really wanted to run a business of making this show and running it, they would have pulled it till the end and then revealed. This seems unacceptable, even if Heller says, Red john chapter is over. 

It was a serious waste of good 5 years if this is the end. It is very disappointing. Like many fans have mentioned in the forum before, a few of the theories in here, have been better than the actual episode. Also, there are a lot of lose threads which should be addressed and this is definitely not the end.

I think The mentalist will be renewed for a season 7, and the finale would have a murder by RJ. Is he a disciple, or the Real Redjohn? further seasons will tell...rather should tell.. what they think is the end, isn't really the end... I hope it is this way..

This end is not acceptable.. there was so much to be said and done! :/

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