Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Im  most dissapointed by the fact that in the end, Jane was clueless and really though that Bertram was RJ... I mean, Jane has always been smart and seemed to have it all together. But when he encountered Bertram in the church, he rally thought he was RJ, and when Bertram responded that he in fact wasn't, Jane was clueless. 

So insanely bad writing that it makes me want to sue Heller for the years and hours of my life that i've now wasted.

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So McAllister has been revealed, and there were some odd things about the episode. I'm okay with McAllister wigging out about the pigeon; if we accepted the fact that he was a deviant sociopath who like to brutally murder people (usually women), I can go with the weirded out by the bird. How PJ kept the bird quiet I am interested in....

I can also accept RJ begging at the end. RJ though he had it all, and in the span of a few minutes, his backups were neutralized, he was shot and running out of strength, could not call for help, and did not have the upper hand, something he probably had not experienced in quite a while. I see his begging as one final attempt to manipulate PJ. RJ was using all he had left; playing on PJs emotions.

RJ made mistakes, as Bosco said he would quite a while back. Two of them were the bomb and he let PJ play the game too long; RJ's arrogance did him in. End of the saga.

The next to last episode did have my favorite quote in quite a while:

Stiles to Van Pelt: "You didn't marry that genial oaf.....Oh! Congratulations then." 


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Sounds to me like Heller had already moved on to his new pet project (the new Gotham series perhaps) and wrapping this story line up was done as quickly as possible. Kind of like when you've landed a new job, but you still have some loose ends to tie up on a long running project at your old job right before your last day there... You want to do as little amount of work and spend as little energy as possible on that last project so you can move on to your next. That's how last night's episode occurred to me---and here's the crux of why everyone is upset ---the resolution is subpar because of the really good story line and build up leading into it. BH et al was the one who set the bar so high, and then left us with this so called resolution and called it done. Very lame, and we feel cheated, that's all.

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I haven't seen Sunday's episode but I've seen the leaked episode.

Is the Leaked episode the exact same as Sunday's? If not, explain what is different

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It's not the episode so much that infuriates me as it is the interview with Heller. I thought the episode itself was subpar or perhaps average at best. I always thought it was Walter Mashburn, since he fit the profile, but he was always a dark horse, and as we got closer and closer to the reveal it became more and more of a long shot. But I like the actor who plays McAllister, and have nothing against how he portrayed Red John.
The thing that really infuriates me is that in Heller's interview he clearly states that he did NOT know who Red John was all along. Especially with him saying in interviews before that he DID know, and knew all along, it really gets me upset. Also, through his interview, he acts as if our interest in who Red John is and our analysis and our treating this as a show that's intelligent is just silly of us, that WE are the ones at fault here. For him to say that the reason he didn't reveal all the information about Red John was because the show is about Jane, not Red John - that's just crap. That's exactly like the Lost writers saying the show was about the characters, not the mysteries. 
Heller acts like a victim in the interview, like it's OUR fault the reveal was terrible. "He is MA"? Apparently we were stupid for wondering about that. Connections to Visualize? Why would you wonder about that? Bret Stiles' relation to RJ? Not important apparently. How did he get the list? Well that's just a great big middle finger. 
Oh, and Red John was defeated by a pigeon. 
It's sad - one of the commenters here stated that WE care more about the show than the people who make it. I hate to say it, but he's right. Though in the interview it was pretty clear Simon Baker was upset with it all, as well. It wasn't necessarily the worst "reveal" show ever. It was simply "meh", and that's apparently our fault for wanting all those clues and all those hints to mean something, instead of taking a meaningless character and making him something he's not. I swear Heller simply did eenie meenie miney mo and just chose a nothing character to use at random.

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bonjour , à tous , nous savons désormais qui est RJ... Pour ma part je n'en suis pas si sur . L'épisode est bien fait et très sympas , mais je n'est pas ressentis au moment de la découvert de l'identité de RJ , ce choque des titans entre PJ et RJ , rappelez vous la fin de la saison 2 quand PJ attaché sur une chaise voit RJ . Quelle grande scéne , quel un grand moment . Dans l'épisode 8 saison 6 , Nous découvrons l'identité de Red John . Il manque quel que chose dans la mise en scéne . Ok RJ est un humain comme un autre et pourquoi pas , le shériff est RJ. Ce qui me trouble c'est la mise ne scéne . Bruno Heller joue avec le public et nous nous sentirons tous manipulé à la fin , je l'espére dumoins 

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Okay, after the big disappointment .. here are some thoughts. But I don't know.. ever since we watched the Mentalist the one thing we learned is: never ever trust the obvious..

Does Bruno Heller really wanna tell us that PJ never knew who RJ was before he revealed himself? If so, in my opinion PJ lost to RJ. The whole series was like a chess game. Both of them made some moves to confuse the other one or take some pawn in game out of the way. And in the end PJ still didn't know who RJ was. He just hunted down all the 3 suspects that were left. WOW.. that's very Mentalist-like... all the cases alongside the RJ-storyline were solved with brilliance and true 'mentalism' ... and now he's meeting with some guy who he thinks he might be RJ (and besides tells the whole world about it) just to notice 'oh dude look.. there's some other guy walking up the hallway' .. 'trololol here i am patrick.' ... screw that!!! And here comes my question. Why did PJ look down the hallway at ~24min (before RJ appeared)? Was he just acting with coution or did he wait for the 'true RJ' to show up because he knew neither Smith nor Bertram are RJ? Was he sure that the man with a tattoo who supposedly died HAS to be RJ?

But one thing is sure.. If Bruno Heller doesn't give us a shit load of RJ vs PJ flashbacks this whole series is fucked up. There were and still are so many plot holes, so many clues that don't fit and so many scenes that need to be answered.

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