Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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First of all, let me say that I am a part of the mast majority here, who feels badly betrayed by Heller.  But for all of the wailing and tears (justified though it all may be), I think that one thing has been missed that might help those of us who find ourselves wondering, "Why?"

Let's call this "The Theory of the Fall of the Red John Legend"

For me, the story of Red John started to go haywire, way back in Season 1, when Heller decided to only develop the RJ plotline/mythos once every 4 or 5 weeks.  This was a mistake.  It caused many viewers to forget about RJ, and simply view the Mentalist as a "fun" show, where the great Patrick Jane uses his mind games to solve the crime, often by rubbing people the wrong way.  They also enjoyed watching the stoic Cho grow more and more tired of the nerdish Rigsby, while Rigsby struggled to win the favor of the lovely Van Pelt.  And to complete the ensemble there was Lisbon, the CBI "denmother" struggling to keep the happy family together, reign Jane in when necessary, and hopefully solve the crime, along the way.   In short, the Mentalist was about the fun of watching this dysfunctional team work together, aided by the incredible Jane, helping to stop the bad guys week after week.  This became the show's appeal.   Viewers by and large tuned in to The Mentalist to have fun.

On the flip side was the dark story of Red John, who murdered Jane's family, and took from Jane all reasons for living, save one: revenge.  To that end, Jane willingly gives of his time and talent to the CBI, in order to be in the prime position to keep tabs on Red John, in hopes of finding him and killing him.  He doesn't really care about eating or sleeping or even looking after his appearance.  Nothing matters, except tracking Red John, which Jane makes no bones about.  He steps on toes, lies, breaks the law, and obsesses over every clue he comes across, that leads him closer to RJ.  It's what drives him and what has changed him forever.  

Now, the only way this dichotomy can play successfully is to keep a balance of both aspects of The Mentalist by blending the crime of the week with a gradual development of the dark backstory.  Here is where Heller failed.  As you know, often 4 or 5 weeks would go by with absolutely no mention of RJ.  Then, after WEEKS of lighhearted crime-solving fun, Heller would inject another Red John story or clue, which often felt jarring and almost intrusive to those who were getting settled into the lightheartedness that The Mentalist was largely known for, and the reason for which the majority of viewers would tune in, each week.  As a result, more and more people began to resent the "intrusion" of this Red John "stuff" and would take to the websites and blogs and start bitching about it, as the seasons wore on.

Now, alongside this lot, another group of people started to emerge: US.  Those of us who were intrigued by Red John, and wanted to know more.  We watched, week after week, hoping to get another piece of the puzzle.  We got that twinge of excitement when the smiley face would appear and that grim music would start to play.  Every clue caught our attention and we made notes.  They were so specific and it all seemed to be part of a predetermined master plan, which intrigued the hell out of us!  Sure we enjoyed the weekly crime, and how Jane would use his abilities to surprise and impress us all.  But for us, it was about the CHASE.  We wanted our Sherlock to meet his Moriarty, and we were hoping to solve the BIG mystery right before that meeting took place.  We watched as DETECTIVES, not just viewers.  We were the GEEKS, if you will.  We were the die hard fans.  But sadly, we were in the minority.

So, with more and more people complaining whenever Red John would enter the picture, in Season 3, Heller decided to let Red John go and he gave us Stawberries and Cream, as a compromise between the two categories of viewers.  For the casual viewers, it came as a "crime-of-the-week" episode.  For the RJ fans, it came in the form of an exciting reveal of an RJ disciple and then RJ HIMSELF (or so we thought).  Although we didn't get the answers to all of our questions, we got what was arguably the best episode the series ever produced, and the reveal of RJ had us on the edge of our seats, courtesy of the outstandingly chilling portrayal by Bradley Whitford.  Because everything was SO RIGHT, we didn't spend much time lamenting the loose ends left behind.  Somehow, we just trusted Heller, on the back of such a satisfying finale, which produced huge ratings for the show.  And that was the last high point The Mentalist would experience...

Unfortunately, based on the high ratings, CBS convinced Heller to make Timothy Carter a red herring and continue the RJ storyline.  While us RJ fans were excited to know that it wasn't over (this meant all of our questions hadn't been ignored), the majority of Mentalist viewers were sorely disappointed to know that the hunt for RJ was still on, and that's when the complaints really started to escalate.  Tv.com and imdb.com were riddled with disgruntled viewers, bitching and moaning and threatening to stop watching the show.  But meanwhile, more and more RJ fans were starting to emerge, resulting in sites like this one, praising Heller for weaving such a fascinating backstory, replete with biblical overtones, dark occultic themes, and brilliant dialogue.  So Heller pressed on with what I believe was still his vision for the show.  

But throughout this entire journey, Heller never rectified his main mistake of keeping the two aspects of the Mentalist so separate.  Weeks would go by with nary a mention of RJ, and then suddenly 2 or 3 eps would be dedicated to it, thus effectively keeping one segment of the viewing audience FRUSTRATED, always.  Fans started tuning out, and the pressure was on Heller to fix the problem, once and for all, AND QUICK.  Welcome to Season 6...

As we know by now, the solution was to wrap up the RJ storyline in time for sweeps week, regardless of how it was done.  I don't care what Heller claims.  We all know that this was rushed, perfunctory, and anticlimactic.  The pace of the story started feeling forced, and the introduction of so many new elements per episode, while exciting, was worrisome.  How was Heller going to wrap all of this up into a cohesive finished storyline by Thanksgiving?  I don't know about you, but I was really becoming concerned about that, by episode 5 and 6.  I was beginning to have my doubts, as I suspect many of you were, as well.  Something told me that this was not going to end well.   Sadly, this was indeed the case, as most of us will admit.

I truly think that Heller basically threw up his hands and surrendered to CBS and all the whiners, abandoned whatever plans he had for the RJ storyline, and gave us the nonsense we all had to sit through, last Sunday.  I do believe that at the beginning of the series, Heller had a story all laid out.  But because of his inability to tell it in the right way and at the right pace, it just evaporated, leaving us feeling empty and frustrated by all the unanswered questions, unexplained clues, and horrible RJ reveal.

In the end, Heller simply gave up, IMO.  He'll never admit to it, but I believe the evolution of his comments and statements over the years, bears this out, when you read between the lines.  Plus, just watching that finale episode, I know in my gut that this is NOT even remotely close to what Heller had in mind, when he created the show.  I don't even think this is what he had in mind in Season 5.  He may have chosen the PERSON by that point, but this wrap-up was the result of pressure and personal frustration with it all.  This was not well-crafted and is a complete departure from EVERY SINGLE OTHER MENTALIST EPISODE, IMO.

So, while I still want to strangle Heller for that last episode, I really want to strangle him for setting the RJ storyline up for failure from the start, by not integrating it more seamlessly with the overall show, thus fragmenting not only the viewing audience, but THE MENTALIST, itself.

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#Bruno #Heller if you're reading this.. I really HOPE this isn't the real ending of RJ, otherwise you would have lied to all the fans working their butts off all those clues that turned out to be meaningless, you would have proven you're nothing but a fraud and I'll surely won't be watching anything your name is written on anymore.
For the sake of those 6 years I spent watching, benefit of the doubt.. till the end of this season.

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https://twitter.com/jimmygadd/status/404822520747933696?screen_name=jimmygadd

Is that really the end of Red John?! :0

Jimmy Gadd: we shall see!



Wtf? Are you kidding me?

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Why is it so hard to accept that Partridge was just the village idiot, nothing more, nothing less. 

His "clues" like those of other suspicious characters amounted to absolutely ziltch.

RJ wanted the option to pull a "clever" back-from-the-death stunt so he had him switch DNA info with a body that was stored in some freezer. Maybe that's what they meant about RJ liking "the cold." 



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As we stand now, I think there is a higher possibility that McAlister was the real RJ and that part of the show is over, although I do also believe there is a decent chance it was another situation like the one with Timothy Carter, and RJ is still out there.  I hope this is the case and at the end of the next episode we see Van Pelt and Rigsby dead (since we know they are leaving the show) under a RJ smiley face.

The rest of this post will focus on my thoughts assuming McAlister was RJ and the hunt is over.

Even though I thought the last episode was awful, and the whole story in season six felt very rushed I think the mistake was made with the selection for the lists in season 7.  I remember watching that episode and thinking to myself who the hell are some of these guys (McAlister and Smith) when their names were announced.  If I was a writer on the show I would have selected the final 7 suspects to be the following, (in alphabetical order):

1) Bunting, Tolman - Probably too minor of a character only appearing in one episode to end up being RJ, but the intelligence he showed in that episode would have at least made him believable to be on the list.  I loved the part of his episode of him and Jane playing chess without a board as it showed the true capability of their mind to memorize where every chess piece was and not forget.

2) Haffner, Ray - He has/was for the longest time one of my prime suspects for RJ.  The scene of him sitting in the office with Cho always struck me as peculiar and suspicious.  He asks Cho if Cho thinks Patrick is smarter than him, then asks Cho if he thinks Jane is smarter than Haffner himself.  After Cho tells him that he does indeed think Patrick is smarter, Haffner gives a nice little half smile almost as if to say "yeah right" and then agrees with Cho.

3) Mars, Ellis - Like Bunting, maybe too minor of a character to be RJ, but there was a beautiful irony about him that I loved as a potential RJ.  In his episode, Mars comes in as an aloof psychic who appears to be of minor intelligence.  This is exactly the opposite of what we would expect RJ to be like and what a beautiful trick that would be on Patrick to carry yourself around him to fool him like that.  The only thing that doesn't really fit with him is the fact that he is not the best looking of guys, and it is somewhat difficult to see women "falling in love with him" (especially a woman at the level of the gorgeous Emmanuelle Chriqui).

4) Mashburn, Walter - In his first episode he is almost taunting Patrick with a catch me if you can attitude.  When it turns out later in the episode that he didn't commit the murder, I was sort of wondering if maybe he was talking about something else, aka he's Red John.  Also his enormous wealth would make it a lot easier for him to accomplish some of the things RJ does. To make things even better with him as RJ is the fact that Lisbon slept with him and the irony/twist that would be.  

5) Partridge, Brett - Don't really have to say much about why I included him on this list as many people have long suspected him.  He's in the first episode, in that episode Jane describes RJ as a showman and Partridge is over the top in demonstrating how RJ killed the wife and doctor, and of course there is the voice comparison.  But one of my favorite parts about this character is this.  He appears in three episodes before season 6 and in each one he is collecting evidence at a supposed RJ murder scene.  In the first two the murders turn out to not be committed by RJ, but at the scene he says they were (or he at leasts makes it apparent that he believes they were).  In his third appearance he states that it's not a RJ scene, and it turns out that it is one.  I've always thought it was odd (maybe suspicious) that he was wrong on all three.

6) Stiles, Brett - Leader of visualize to which RJ was once a part of.  Appeared to be smart enough to be RJ and has disciples at visualize where he manipulates people like RJ does.  He does seem a little old to be RJ, and after reading posts on here I like him better has RJ's dad/adopted dad, etc. 

7) The last one I couldn't decide between Bertram and Virgil Minelli.  I was leaning towards Bertram because he had some really creepy moments in season 6, but I would be fine with Minelli as well.

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in my eyes the real red john was timothy carter they should of ended the saga there that scene with him and jane at the end of season 3 was perfect  believe the reason they changed there minds was fear of cancellation and that they couldnt come up with a decent story to take over from it, dont get me wrong i like mcalister but prefered timothy carter anyone else agree???

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This is not a waste of time. 

It is not that i do not want Xander Berkeley for the Red John Role, he played it absolutely well. And I admire him for that. However, there is something that i cannot stop thinking about. 

Red John is a show man, an artist, a psychopath, a true sadist. IF I AM RED JOHN, i will let Patrick Jane have a life before i reveal my real identity. How? Send Patrick Jane someone, let him believe that he is the real Red John. Let Patrick Jane kill that fake Red John. Now, Jane believes that he already killed the man who murdered his wife and daughter, and he’s getting his life back. Only to find out later, that he killed the wrong Red John again. And yes, it will be more painful for Jane.

I believe that this is the “RED JOHN STYLE”. 

We all know that the Red John saga does not end in season 6 episode 8. Yes, because Bruno Heller did not answer all our questions on how everything has happened like WHO IS THE REAL RED JOHN? If he is indeed Xander Berkeley, then please answer all our questions like: 

1.   Why on earth did he put CBI ron in almost all episodes in every season. What is his role? 

2.   What is Red John’s Real name? Is Roy Tagliaffero the real one, if not, why did he choose it?

3.   Where is waldo? Seriously? He appeared only in one episode of the first season. And then come back on the 6th season because Bruno Heller decided that he is red john. 

4.   What did Sam Bosco tell Patrick Jane before he died? 

5.   Who is the RED SWEATER guy at the end of Season 3? 

6.   How, When, Why did Red John started killing? 

7.   What made him become a serial killer? 

8.   How does he attract women easily? 

9.   How does he easily manipulate his followers? 

10.How was he able to get money for all his bloody projects? 

11.How is he related to Brett Stiles? 

12. How did he come up with the List? 

13. Why women and children? 

So many questions to answer Mr. Bruno Heller. I asked once, not to leave as hanging. 

We need answers. These are just my thoughts. I respect yours, Respect mine. 

Anybody wants to discuss anything about the show? 

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