Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Kirkland twin seen!

In my mind Bob Kirkland has been one of the most mysterious characters on the show other than JJ LaRoche. There is very little known about him. He has been lingering in the back ground since season 5 and just as his role becomes more active he mentions his twin Michael and get killed never to be seen again.

Some of his actions don't seem to make sense at all. He is represented as a man hunting Red John and then he goes on to kill Jason Lennon without any real interrogation.

For some time now i have been convinced that establishing a very detailed time line will be an important element in order to solve the unanswered questions we are still left with.

I have now stumbled upon something I consider an important switch in time. This reversal changes a lot of context and convinced me that we must have seen both Kirkland twins already.

At the beginning of 601 we meet Partridge on the beach, where he states that judging by decomposition the victim must have died around 18 months ago. From Van Pelt we learn the identity of the victim and that he has been reported missing in August 2011. This puts the time of the episode in Jan/Feb 2013.


In 604 Hightower fakes her death to hide from Red John. Jane learns from Van Pelt that Hightower died 2 weeks ago in Mexico. Shortly after that he visits Hightowers aunt and leaves a message on the memorial site. The memorial site lists the date of death as July 15th 2012! There is a virtual flower left August 7th and he meets Hightower the same evening.

and the kidnapping happens one day after. As Kirkland dies on his way to either prison or jail it is safe to assume he died in August 2012. The list of suspects is mentioned several times in that episode. At the end Jane proclaims we are down to 5 suspects. Ergo the dvd must have come out at the latest in August 2012 and since Lorelei died 2 months before the dvd she must be dead at least since june 2012.

Since Partidge was alive in 2013 his death can't be the fact that excludes the second suspect.


Here is the crazy part and the reason why i believe we have seen both Kirklands:


518 is called "Behind the Red Curtain" and in addition to the main case focuses on the situation arround the comatose Jason Lennon (remember the conspiracies arround John Lennons death?). At the end of that episode Kirkland kills Lennon. In that scene we get a look at the heart rate monitor. In the upper left corner there it shows us the date and time. It 19:16 and the date is February 11 th 2013!  

Earlier in this episode Kirkland and Jane meet in the hospital. Kirkland asks Jane why he is in the hospital. With a smirk he relpies that his aunt daphne is in room 10 with liver failure caused by her alcoholism. With the correct timeline we can now see why Jane really smiles. He just landed a punch based on information he got in the cabin half a year earlier.

Now some people might wanna argue that the dates mentioned in those two episodes were not meant as clues, but simple oversights. In the case of 518 that might be somewhat plausible, even though the there is nothing else in the shot except that monitor so it would be a very big flaw, especially if you consider how carefull they have been otherwise to avoid any specific dates.

For 604 it's even more unlikly because the page was fabricated only for this show and the date shown lies before the actual filming of the episode.

Since one Kirkland twin is already dead since August 2012 it must be the other twin killing Lennon.

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This always bothered me .
How did MAcalister become the leader if the BA.
How can a small time sheriff magically own thousands of lives with politicians and judges as well.
One must aquire power somehow , you cannot just start mafia from scratch! The illuminati (if real) wouldnt of been started by a firefighter. Jokes

The BA must have higher up with a lot more money and power still out there.
Where does the BA 's power trully come from? Visualize maybe?
Haffner's threat coming through?
Both he and styles faked their deaths and used Maclister as their pawn.

Side note of the new show:
Its pretty blatant that Fischer is the same is Van pelt. Both get called out by jane for having tramatic past experiences. Fischer saw a shrink GVP bottles it up and told no one not even herself.
Wylie is Rigsby. Awkward at first friends with cho and it magically smart at times with all the answers.

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Theory #17202 • By Seanmulvs
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Red John has been McAllister this whole time.  Big clue is that Red John slices up his victims.  He must be a doctor with the knowledge he has of anatomy.  However, he could be an avid hunter, and Thomas McAllister is an avid hunter.

There is speculation about other people being Red John.  These theories aren't exactly true, because it was Thomas McAllister.  In order for those theories to be true,  McAllister would have to be a patsy or he took it upon himself to become acquainted with Red John to cover for someone he loves or he wants to protect (from Jane).

This person would need a story that is troubled.  Rigsby had a tough upbringing, but Lisbon has had an even tougher upbringing.  Her unnamed brother could be Ray Haffner.  Her father could have been killed by her brother, since her father almost killed one of her brothers.  Lisbon says about her father that "he almost killed" all of us.  Her brother could be upset about his mother being killed in a car accident by a drunk driver (he feels cheated).  His father beats him or his younger brother nearly to death.  He  then hides after killing his father in "self defense" on the visualize farm.  Lisbon was raised in Chicago, but she became a police officer in San Diego.  Visualize is a possible access to this better life through its farms.  Her or he brother go to college get degrees, and they become police.  Her dad was a firefighter, so the children probably got some scholarship.  Anyone of them could have made it.  

Possibly Ray Haffner fakes McAllister's death, and his own.  He sets up a meeting with Jane to reveal said coverup.  The coverup is realized, and the other bodies weren't investigated.  Red John could make that happen; McAllister almost got away with it.  As everybody is looking at McAllister, they realize he is Red John.  Truthfully, he probably did work with Red John or killed as Red John.  I believe he did the Red John murders that the show has revealed, but the other murders could have been someone else.  The killings before 2000 could be someone else.  Orval Tanner could be McAllister's friend;  Tanner is the reason everyone thinks Red John is old.  Orval Tanner dubs Smiley Face killer as Red John, and from there Red John is a notorious killer.  The original smiley face killer is still a mystery.

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Theory #17200 • By RJwhereareyou
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SORRY FOR BRINGING SHERLOCK BACK AGAIN.TRULY SORRY.IF YOU ARE AGAINST IN WHAT I'M DOING PLEASE IGNORE THE REST OF MY POST AND PRESS UNLIKELY IMMEDIATELY.



Didn't Moffat (Sherlock's one of the two writers) stated that Moriarty is dead?Well, if that's the deal, then we must reconsider about how much we can trust the words of Heller.Seriously, Sherlock's last episode gave me hope over Mentalist.

Besides, it isn't the writers' fault if they trick the audience.They can't simply spoil stuff, and of course there is the unexpected.Maybe Sherlock made a big hit and renewed so even the writers were obligated to bring Moriarty back in a way.What I mean is, even if RJ isn't dead, Heller can't say it.And if Heller doesn't want to bring RJ back, then something probably gonna change his mind.

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Theory #17199 • By RedjohnStilePLZMOT
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I do not want to believe that his ends in "happy end" pls let Stiles role play red john 


( and kill cho)

( why cho ?

(Because "cho")

(WTF ? redjohn troll ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td2-J7ptLXE)
Care this vidéo are spoil REDJOHN don't watch if u eat a panda u know ?

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Over 6 seasons, there are two important things we learned about Red John that I want to focus on.  1) He has a connection to law enforcement or government.  So either he is a law enforcement agent, politician, judge etc or just a powerful figure who can pull a lot of strings.  2) His "disciples" demonstrate an unwavering loyalty to him.  They will do anything and everything for him.  This resembles fanatical or cult-like behavior.  Sure sounds like Visualize to me.
The Blake Association is not a cult.  It is about covering up crimes.  There is no belief system, just pure corruption.  Visualize is more spiritual/religious.  It talks about self-help, change, a new life etc.  Red John's followers (such as Rebecca Anderson, Lorelei Martins, Sheriff Hardy, Timothy Carter) are more similar to Visualize members than Blake Association members.  So Red John sounds more like a Visualize leader a BA leader.  Not so fast, I am not accusing Bret Stiles.  I am accusing Ray Haffner.

Bob Kirkland: works in homeland security.  didn't act like an RJ follower when he died.
Brett Partridge: works with many people in law enforcement and government.  was a member of the   BA.  seemed afraid to die, unlike RJ followers.
Gale Bertram: knows countless people in law enforcement and government.  was a member of the BA.  didn't act like an RJ follower when he died.
Reede Smith: fbi, member of the BA.  he spoke openly with law enforcement, something RJ followers don't typically do. imprisoned, again, RJ followers are killed are broken out of prison before long. 
Bret Stiles: visualize leader.  He calls Red John a "perfectly unpleasant sort of fellow.”  Lorelei's "surprised they didn't become lifelong friends" statement doesn't fit with Stiles.  Jane and Stiles help each other and are the most friendly toward each other than any of the other suspects.  Bret also said, "I know more than you or RJ will ever know."  That sentence makes the most sense if Haffner were Red John.
Thomas McAllister: sheriff, member of the ba.  didn't act like a RJ follower when he died.  the things he talked about with Patrick in the chapel don't resemble any past conversations Patrick had with Red John. 
Ray Haffner: former agent of the CBI, visualize member.

Haffner is the only one from the 7 who has a clear law enforcement and visualize connection.  I feel like he never really believed Visualize teachings, but instead used some of them to manipulate people.  He saw how Bret Stiles had power over people and he joined Visualize so he could learn to have the control.  He was pissed that Jane had more power over Lisbon's feelings than he did.  He is offended easily like Red John.  That's why I think he is RJ.

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Theory #17197 • By Stoopkid
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RED JOHN STARTED MURDERING IN 1997-1998.
-we have no proof he was at the red barn in 1988, this is just a popular assumption.

WE THINK OF RED JOHN AS A "PIMP" A GUY WHO CAN MAKE WOMEN DO AS HE PLEASES . HE LANDED LORELIE , or so we assume.
-Red john is horrible with women. He kills their loved ones and makes them be friends with him by brainwashing them. You have seen his followers , they are nuts ! He hates women and murders them frequently and uses them as tools.
-Lorelie is a huge exception but she is different from the rest . She was not a pawn. She may even be ex military or FBI. You saw her , she has skills. Ill get to her later.

RED JOHN was made fun of in high school. He was humiliated and dropped out. When he kills women he ties there arms with black tape.
The same black tape used to tie Red johns arms in high-school during a prank.
-This prank made him dropout. This man is Derick Logan.
-He became a heroin addict before joining visualize.
-He received plastic surgery from Tannen ep1 pilot.
-He transformed to Wayne RIgsby

~Red John acts like he is so smart and perfect but its all lies . He can be killed and he is very vulnerable . The persona her portrays of himself is as jane spoke through MAcalister to him, "sick delusions of grandeur"
~Red John does not work alone . The scene when Lisbon is taken is a two man job and there is no way around that if you study that scene.
RED JOHN HAS FRIENDS ALL OVER
-Macister was not the King of the BA
-A small time sheriff cannot just own judges and politicians by not acquiring power is some way!?!

Like i said Lorelie was not just some girl she has combat skills which makes me think she is ex fbi.
-this may be why patrick is working for them now because rj had huge fbi connections.
-derick logan went to school with Gabe Nyland
-gabe nyland is a huge clue and may be a high up in the BA

VISUALIZE HAS A NEW LEADER
-they may have always been in bed with the BA
-Styles was wanted to take the fall for this but he faked his death.
-Visualize is hunting cbi agents

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