This show used to be good but since 6x01 it has plummeted. to the point of being no more worth watching than CSI and all the other mediocre crap I used to think was beneath it.
I can't understand why the creative team behind the show would allow this to happen but it seems to be deliberate. Maybe They wanted the show to be cancelled? Or maybe the network said the show was too clever and needed to be dumbed down? Either way its a shame.
I won't be watching next season.
I read this on another site, i am not the only one with this line of thinking apparentlt...
But i was the first to say red john never guessed Janes list, Lorelie made the list.
'"Jane also knows that Lorelei was not killed by RJ. He easily spotted her death scene as faked by the Feds. So, Jane also knew that Lorelei was in Fed custody; and, that the video where she supposedly reads out the names on his RJ suspects list was actually made while in Fed cudtody.
Was Jane amazed that Lorelei knew (possibly from Red John) the names on his list? Nope; because he never had that list until Lorelei read it. When Lisbon arrives and wants to know if Red John was right, Jane has pictures for each of the suspects on 'his list' ready to show her as proof that, Yep, RJ scored 100%! (Jane doesn't want Lisbon and CBI to know that Lorelei is still alive.)
Lorelei, of course, knew Jane would spot the faked Fed setup. She probably cooperated with the Feds to help set it up (and made sure it was botched). Feds went along with the video because she would not ID Red John but would include Red John in the list for Patrick to eventually ferret out whereupon the Feds would nab RJ. Lorelei knew that would be Jane's belief, too.
So, both the Feds and Jane believed Lorelei would include the name of Red John so that Patrick would kill RJ before the Feds could arrest him. Feds gambled they would be able to prevent that and grab RJ alive.
Lorelei lied to both. She is Red John the mastermind. She had managed to find and kill Red John the serial killer before being grabbed by the Feds.
The heart of Lorelei's (Red John's) organization is not Tyger-Tyger with agents wearing a silly 'three stones' (trail symbol = "danger") tattoo. Perhaps Lorelei somehow acquired Tyger-Tyger connections or even a position of leadership.
Lorelei's organization is primarily made up of women 'Red John' has rescued and recruited from women's shelters. She treated them well and gave each of them a new, interesting life with plenty of money and other benefits. That is why her female agents are so dedicated to 'Red John'.
When it came time to arrange for getting the video to Jane, Lorelei would have to be given some freedom by the Feds in order to contact an agent of RJ and get him/her to make a convincing delivery. (I think Lorelei used the situation to escape the Feds.) The female agent 'tied up loose ends' by taking poison.
We can guess that Lorelei was once, years ago, known to Jane as a girl with red hair named "Carmen". We do not know their relationship. We can guess that Lorelei feels affection for Jane and that, maybe, Jane felt affection for Carmen back then"
All of you who are dissatisfied with the meagre execution of the whole Jan/Red John storyline should watch the TV show "Hannibal". Everything you were missing in "The Mentalist" is provided by "Hannibal".
"Hannibal" dares to dive into it's Hero/Antihero a relationship without fear, with much rafinesse and psychological depth. The dialogue is wonderfully elaborate. Both actors are first-class.
However, you should be able to stamoch a fair amount of gore.
Below is a theory which allows for all of Heller's statements about Red John to be true. But it is incomplete because I get stuck on Lorelei.
What if Timothy Carter was RJ (i.e. the original murder) but wasn't the murderer of Jane's family?
The assumption then is that Roy is McCallister...head of the BA, an organization that co-opted the Red John persona for their own means. Using the RJ persona, Roy/McCallister murdered Jane's family.
(Why? Hopefully we will find that out in Season 7 because a reason isn't screaming out at me.)
So, at the end of Season 1, Roy/McCallister/BA - not Red John - is taunting Jane. Jane conflates the identities of Roy and Red John, which suits Roy just fine.
Then Strawberries and Cream happens. Red John uses O'Laughlin to kill Todd Johnson (who is BA and therefore an enemy of Red John).
With this in mind, when Johnson recites "Tiger, tiger" he isn't exposing his relationship with Red John, but he is actually trying to see if Jane is in the BA and can help him. In Todd's mind, Jane and the BA have a common enemy in Red John.
(Aside from O'Laughlin, it is interesting that LaRoach's suspect list also includes Shetrick (BA), Bertram (BA), and Ardilles (later murdered..hmmm).)
Later, Carter Red John says he is planning to retire. How does a psychopath serial killer "retire"? He dies. So he baits Jane into killing him in order to stop killing. Eh?
In Season 4, Jane proves to himself that Timothy Carter wasn't Roy by using Rossalind's negative ID. The murder of Panzer proves to everyone else what Red John is still alive and that he wasn't Timothy Carter.
Perhaps Jane killed Panzer, knowing he could peg it on Red John, thus "proving" that he wasn't dead. From Jane's perspective it could be one of two ways:
Either:
1) Jane still doesn't realize that RJ and Roy were different people so when Rossiland told him that Carter wasn't Roy, he assumes RJ was still alive. So he kills Panzer so that everyone will believe him.
Or:
2) He realizes that Roy and Red John are different people but he needs the CBI to think Red John is alive so that he can continue his pursuit. So killing Panzer "proves" that they got the wrong guy.
Sadly, I get stuck with Lorelie. Who is she with? She is either in league with the BA (doesn't seem likely) or is working with some other organization which seeks to take down the BA (seems more likely) and goes along with the Red John story in order to captivate Jane. Not sure.
Anyway, just a wee theory for old times sake.
If you watch Fire and Brimstone, the very last shot you see in the house, BEFORE the explosion is Jane facing the 3 suspects with the tattoo, as they're lining up against the wall.
Someone shouts "No don't!"
And I think I know who. I found an old picture, which is a shot of Jane's house taken after the footage inside the house cuts off. You can tell this is later than the footage, because in the episode, McAllister is still doing up his buttons again at the wall. But in this picture his buttons are now done and his hands are up.
http://images.latinopost.com/data/images/full/991/the-mentalist.jpg?w=600
I can only guess Jane turns round to point the gun at Haffner, and Haffner shouts "No don't!"
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In episode 6, Jane says Red John would never not admit to being Red John. In Jane's house, McAllister says "You got it wrong. I'm not Red John".
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For what it's worth, in all of season 6, Jane's not said he killed McAllister. Even Fischer admitted in the trial that Jane never specifically said he killed him. She said it was implied.
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You can't write an episode called "Red John" and not have him in it. Jane compares pigeons to tiny dinosaurs at the start of the episode. The very last shot of the episode, "Red John" is standing at a dinosaur slide with his hands behind his back. The music is creepy. That's cryptic enough so that 99.9999% of the audience will miss it, but the observant fan will spot it.
Yesterday I was watching the episode with James Panzer. Jane ´made´ him insult RJ on television, so he probably knew that RJ was going after Panzer. Then why did he not just spy on Panzer to catch RJ?
Somebody was feeding Jane clues to take down the BA.
Thru Sophie Miller and Kira Tinsley as well as the Partridge scene.
I believe La roche and Ardilles were left over BA and someone took them out too whos NOT Haibach.
There were two Red Johns
One Ba
One true rj
The ba red john hired Olaughlin to take out todd johnson who was a follower of the real red john.
Remember Johnson spoke of the "big picture" when he killed those cops?
Well those cops were Ba one of them was Hightowers bf.
Thats why Hightower was wanted dead so bad.
Why would the real Red John care about Hightower?
She was Ba and they were cleaning house.