Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Patrick Jane is not Red John (this is possible only if the whole show would be his imagination and this would be very dissaponted)

Here are the proofs that PJ is not RJ:

1. There are some scenes which are played for sure by Red John, not his followers:
- season 1, ep 23: we see RJ's silhouette in a surveillance room with a cup of tea(probably) and a red book. Jane was in the basement with Lisbon and Dumar, so Jane couldn't be in the surveillance room, and there is no reason for any of RJ's accomplice to be there. There is too much mistery in the scene, so it's very clear for me that there was RJ himself.
- season 2, ep 23: Jane is in the same room with RJ and we see both of them. If the man with the mask is one of RJ's acolyte I can't see any reason of the scene. If Jane would be Red John, he would have managed to escape from those students without any help from his acolyte and because nobody (apart from the dead students) seen RJ and Jane together, the game woudn't have any reason (why would Jane show to some dead people that he and RJ are 2 different persons?) No reason. And also Jane was very scare by RJ's visit. Even when he was at home, alone, she looked very scared, so why he would be so scared when nobody is there to see his act,
- I don't remember the episode, but there is a scene when Rosalind calls Jane and she tells him that Roy came back. Jane was at the CBI and we can see RJ's silhouette in Rosalind's house. Jane wasn't in Rosalind's house, so only RJ could be (not one of RJ's followers because Rosalind would have known).
- when Jane manages to eliberate a man who knew Red John from prison and that man runs to Mexico, he was always with his CBI colleagues, so how he killed that man in Mexico?

2. Lorelei Martins says that Jane and RJ are very much alike and that she wonders why they didn't become friends. She was angry so this couldn't be a game, because when you are angry you don't lie, you just say what bothers you.  

3. Jane tries to make Lorelei believe that RJ killed her sister. When she knows for sure that her sister was killed by Red John, why she didn't shot Jane? Jane isn't RJ because she would have killed him because she had the posibility. But she goes to find the real RJ, not Jane.

4. Rosalind would have recognised him. If she and RJ planned this to happen and she would have to play an act with the CBI, she couldn't be so natural in front of his lover, she is just a girl, not the master of dissimulation.

5. Red John killed from 1988 (at least), but the first contact between RJ and  Jane is when Jane talks about him at TV. We know that both like playing games, then why only after the TV show they have contact. If Jane is RJ he would like something to laugh at, somebody to chase him, so why only after the TV show?

6. RJ kills Jane's family to punish him. Let's say that Jane kills his own family because it means weakness (sounds stupid but for some people is legit). Okay, so he eliminates all his weaknesses (his family, Kristina Frye, Lorelei), but why he keeps Rosalind? She looks weaker than everybody and she can recognise him (despite she is blind she is a danger for Jane if he is RJ)




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Why he stay on "second command",after he the betrayal Bret? He might be truly founder of Visualize Self-Realization Center , something like gray eminence ... founder for who believe that is died in car crash.

Enough strong position, for someone powerful like RJ

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Everything points that Red John is Bret Stiles. He is powerful, well-connected (he manages to free Lorelei form a federal prison), we know that he possibly killed someone for his cult. Knowing the location of Kristina Frye is another reason, because he wants Jane to suffer and Red John "killed" Kristina Frye (not physically but he destroyed everything she meant).

Like Lorelei said, Red John and Patrick Jane are very alike, but no friends. Bret Stiles manipulate the persons from his cult and even Van Pelt. If RJ is Bret Stiles the way he gets to Lorelei (kills her sister to make her vulnerable and manipulate her) is similar to how he gets to Van Pelt (sacrifice O'Laughlin to make Van Pelt vulnerable)

Everyhting points to Bret Stiles, BUT something isn`t right. Why would Bret Stiles come to the farm from "Red Barn" and the others would called him "kid". The age isn't right: in 1988 Red John would be somewhere between 15-30 years old, that means that now, RJ is between 40-55 years old, but Bret Stiles looks older than 55 years old. And also Rosalind seems a very young woman and she would have said something if Roy was a lot older than her.

And another reason: why would the people from Red Barn called Bret Stiles "some kid". From how we know, Bret Stiles was always the leadear of Visualize (because he allegedly killed his superior). Even if he wasn't the leader he was a very important person in Visualize and he wouldn't pass from the farm known as a "kid". And also, the priest who told Jane that some kid painted the smile, surely knows that Bret Stiles is the leader of Visualize and he would have reacted differently.

That's what I think. Although there are very powerful reasons for us to think that RJ is Bret Stiles, the "Red Barn" episode makes this theory implausible. Such a complex script couldn't be so contradictive. 

Sorry for my mistakes :)

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RELEASE| 5.21 - Red and Itchy




J.J. LAROCHE PERSONALLY REQUESTS JANE’S HELP
WHEN THE MYSTERIOUS CONTAINER HE’S BEEN HIDING FOR NINE YEARS IS STOLEN FROM HIS
HOME, ON “THE MENTALIST,”

Episode 21 is episode directly before the season 5 final.  No doubt, it will set the stage for the final and the tupaware container is the center of the episode.  If Laroche has had it for nine years than he acquired it at roughly the same time or one year after Jane's wife was murdered by RJ.  Why else choose nine years as the date of when he got the container?  It could be that Laroche used to be somehow involved with RJ but he's become "red and itchy" and wants to turn on RJ so RJ steals the tupaware container as leverage. 

Thoughts? 

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okay so i have read almost all of these theorys so i have a rough idea of what yous all think. 
i dont know who red john is, None of us do thats the point were not supposed to.

i do know however that patrick jane id not red john i mean come one  what was he expected to do become friends with himself , shake hands with himself its stupid

walter mashburn and patrick are friends ( i wouldnt let someone drive my very expensive car off a cliff unless they were concidered a friend) 

none of the CBI team have anything to do with it like lisbon cho wayne or grace but i think grace either knows wh it is or has a theory because she has been acting diffrient the last season or so 

cristina fry is not red john because she likes patrick and you dont kill someones family if you like them. red john does "love" patrick in some way but its in moreof a " i love messing with you" type of way.

minelli is also not redjohn because he is too emoitional , like when boscos team all got killed by red john he was very upset. i know he was obviously not going to be over the moon but quiting his job is serious he obviously was upset but red john would have been happy he was the one that done it or made rebecca do it.

basically what im saying is the writters are not going to make this easy.we will be dissapointed no matter who red john is were just going to have to wait. but im looking forward to seeing the rest of the theorys 

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People... I think i might found something a bit confusional:
As i posted before and got agreed by several people... We can 99% assume that RJ is NOT married and that he is LEFT handed. Then i was thinking about the "He is Ma..." mystery and i almost had a "revelation", thinking that could be Mashburn. Why? 
                      Because Mashburn had several wives (unknown number) 
                      and also because seems the smarmy guy, that could
                      have the RJ's connections.
There is a conversation between RJ and PJ (forgive me but i don't remember the episode's number :{ ) in which RJ tell PJ that he is going to propose (and going to marry) his EIGHTH wife! 

But, after re-watching 2x13... I've noticed that Mashburn drink and interact always with his RIGHT hand.

This being told:
1. Mashburn could really be RJ but Heller get the «Hell» out of us with wrong suggestions.

2. He is NOT RJ.. so relatively to the "He is Ma..." mystery.. We can exclude that Mashburn is RJ.

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