Interesting thing about the name Ray...it only takes one letter change to make it Roy.
(I am holding out hope that Luther Wainwright's death was faked; this is my backup suspect)
Interesting thing about the name Ray...it only takes one letter change to make it Roy.
(I am holding out hope that Luther Wainwright's death was faked; this is my backup suspect)
First off I should note after the recent finale where Jayne revealed the seven people he had narrowed down the list to that I am assuming the writers are not going to dick us around too much and Red John is either Jayne himself, one of these seven, or a combination of these suspects.
We know Red John does not actually have psychic powers so I would like to think Jayne is finally being clever when it comes to Red John and is one step ahead of him. It would appear that the only way Red John could have predicted those seven suspects is from when Bob Kirkland had his people copy the notes from his loft. I doubt Kirkland himself is Red John but it is obvious he is connected to Red John in some way. I think Jayne has a plan now and knows more about who is Red John then he is letting on, leaking the info to Red John to let him feel clever and think he is still one step ahead. This would explain how he knows the seven suspects but it is still unclear about the whole "happy memory" thing but likely Jayne leaked that somehow too....
The other explanation how Red John knew the suspects and the happy memory is that Jayne is actually Red John and does not know it. Personally I really don't think this is the case but really the writers could do this if they want to be dicks...
Don't loose hope my friend i also wanted walter to be at leat considered
to be rj...if in fact what you say is true that heller said that rj is
on the list...then by all means that may be true..you just have to pay
attention..i don't know which list you or heller were talking about,the
30 suspects or the 7 suspects...in my theory anybody not on the 7
suspects list could be rj...patrick planted the evidence found in the
episode were he used the toothpick..so kirkland fell into patrick's
trap...so he knows whoever broke into the room would tell rj..is only a
matter of time befores he finds out it was kirkland and i bet he get
kills next season so jane looks to be one step ahead of rj.also remember
that jane has been been burning rj files a few times so he kept only
what he wanted to keep and burned the important ones in order to throw
some people off. so in other words i don't believe rj is on the 7
suspects and patrick knows it...jane planted this evidence thinking that
rj would find it somehow..so rj is going to start killing more people
more often..WHY??...because he is feeling very confident right about
now,,,because he thinks jane doesn't suspect him because he is not on
the list when in fact jane already knows that but rj doesn't know so
jane is in fact is one step ahead....
I have suspected Luther Wainwright since the end of his first episode on the show. All it took was this look on his face as he walked away from Lisbon, something about it sent the unintentional thought through my head: "oh my gosh, he's Red John." which sent me back to his conversation with Jane the minute before. After that, the thought would not leave me mind. Through the rest of the season my eyes were opened up to little hints here and there and I can honestly say that having his character killed off was almost physically painful because I was so sure. I would like to hold out hope that my gut instincts were correct and that Red John pulled off a clever trick to fake his death.
If I was indeed wrong, I have chosen two of the final seven to be the other possibilities. They are Ray Haffner and Brett Partridge. Brett seems to be a popular one on here so if it isn't Luther it may not be him either (the popular ones always seem to be the least likely). Unfortunately, I lost my enthusiasm for figuring out who Red John is when the show appeared to have killed off Luther because I honestly and truly felt and believed that it was him (which is why I hold out the hope that it is) but I'm going to try and at least keep my theory peddling mind at work this coming season.
I have no real foundation for my accusations of the other two. I looked at them and I felt they were the right suspects to pick. Maybe my gut was wrong about Luther but it could be right about Ray or Brett; my gut is not wrong very often (which could be the problem...the writers on the show might be a bunch of people exactly like me trying to mess up and confuse other people like them/me).
One thing I know for sure is that it is NOT Kirkland. That would be far too obvious and when he killed that guy in the hospital, he asked if he knew who he was before killing him. I distinctly remember that guy saying he knew who Red John was and he said he didn't know Kirkland. Would I be surprised if Kirkland was a friend of Red John's? Heck no. In fact I am pretty sure he is because why else would you kill a suspect who knew the killer's identity? I think he asked if he knew him simply to make sure that his connection to Red John had not been exposed to "underlings" because that could ruin him. I also have serious doubts about Stiles, don't think it's him either. Bertram...nah. I am not feeling that one. I doubt it's the sheriff and no idea about Smith but still thinking no on both.
I say it's Wainwright. I want it to be Wainwright. I will be sad to finally see my theory (which I spent months building last season) laid to rest if I am wrong (which is likely) but I think having Ray or Brett turn out to be Red John would soften the blow a bit because their not too disappointing as far as suspects go.
Side not: Interesting thing about the name Ray...it only takes one letter change to make it Roy.
I just wanted to say that given red john's technological prowess, isn't it possible that he could have recorded a longer video with Lorelei reading more names and then edited it or adjusted it based on Kirkland's research? Timeline-wise, Kirkand's research is after Lorelei's death (therefore the video recording as well) but as he is obviously in the thick of this somehow (although I don't think he is RJ because he has had too much camera time recently) that research must have had significance to RJ, if not for the video then most likely to figure out how long it would take Patrick to come to the conclusion of 7 people based on where he was at the time of Kirkland's photographs, and then plan exactly when to murder Eileen.
Although I also think the Partridge theories are pretty good, and I could definitely see him being like BBC Sherlock's Jim Moriarty.
Every time Partridge goes, he says it's not Red John. He obviously has a sick fascination with death, he's a creepy emo guy, a high pitched voice like Red John, and it was weird that he was there in this episode. He almost seemed happy about it.
I also think it could be one of Jane's old acquaintances from his circus days. Lorelai said they had shook hands, but it doesn't necessarily mean it was after Red John started killing. It could have been someone he knew from his childhood, which would explain how Red John could have targeted his circus memory in the Season 5 finale. I think it's possible it's not one of the seven suspects, but if so, probably most likely Partridge.
I think this rules out Kirkland as RJ. RJ apparently knew all the suspects by the time of Lorelai's murder, which was several episodes before Kirkland broke into Jane's office. (And what would be the need if he already knew the names on Jane's list?)
I give up . . . if it's not going to be Mashburn than I've lost interest. None of those other suspects are even remotely interesting to theorize about. Heller said that RJ was definitely one of the people on the list and he filled up the list with flat, uninteresting suspects. Stiles and Bertram are too old, Smith and McAllister would look stupid as RJ, Haffner is just irritating, Kirkland entered too late to be satisfying which leaves Partridge who seems like too small of a creep to be RJ.
RJ has money, resources, the ability to make many friends especially women, Jane level intelligence, etc.
Everything fit if RJ was Mashburn. Two full episodes of interesting dialogue of fooling Jane and Lisbon, a music score with RJ's drum tics in the background, a sad past, and so much more. None of the other characters have sparred verbally with Jane like that except Stiles so I'm done. No more theorizing because I simply don't care which one of them is RJ anymore. I thought it'd be hard to wait for the sixth season but not anymore. This has been the most disappointing final - it played more like an ordinary episode without any of the suspenseful tension that filled the other four finals.
Why couldn't the list be full of more three dimensional characters like Dean Harken, Max Winter, etc? How could it possibly be interesting to watch Jane investigate flat government suits like Bertram, Kirkland, McAllister, Smith, or Haffner? How the hell did I get stuck slightly hoping it would be Stiles because Jane's had suspenseful interactions with him or Partridge because it would make the Season 2 final complete because Jane scares Partridge and then RJ does the same to Jane? Kirkland is only slightly creepy, Haffner is blind to reading people, and Bertram has no personality even if he's been suspicious by quoting Blake, calling Jane the boy wonder, and his part in the S3 final.
I'm thoroughly upset with Heller. Mashburn was so perfect - (even now my mind's trying to come up with a logical explaination for RJ being Mashburn despite Heller's comment that RJ is one of the seven suspects . . LOL)
I admit defeat and I'll try to crush the vague hope that a poor response to the names revealed with cause Heller to write in a loophole that results in it being Mashburn . .