I am sick and tired of any ass hole accusing anyone not on the list of 7 because it's not jane because he's not ton the list of seven and bruno heller specifically stated it will be someone on the list of seven so any one accusing someone not on the list shut up and go away https://www.dropbox.com/s/m01sqnq7xv9gysv/red%20john%20list.xlsx this is a link to an excel worksheet compiling data on the seven suspects and who is most likely red john take a look if you like
Red John is not on the list of seven. Why? Remember when PJ sticks the toothpick in the wall and Kirklands minions come in and take photos of everything in the room. When PJ comes back he notices that the toothpick fell and even smiles a bit. The list of seven is a decoy to lead RJ astray. Now we know that Kirkland is connected to or works with RJ in some way. Kirkland sends his boys in to find the information, his boys come back and say that they will view the photos and de code the information that they got. Kirkland says no, and that HE will only view the photos. Kirkland then relays then information to RJ. PJ knew that someone would break into the room, so he put up fake information. Now, obviously PJ and Lisbon love each other and I don't think PJ would ever tell Lisbon who his real suspects are because he would never want to endanger the person he loves. In this years season finale Jane receives a CD from a RJ co worker who obviously knows tons about RJ and says that " I have been with RJ for a ver long time". The woman rides in the back seat of a cop car with only 1 policeman who obviously can't keep an eye on her because he is driving, so she kills herself. Why would Jane let a person who has bountiful information of RJ and had been with him for a long time just be able to kill herself? Because he doesn't need anything from her... Because he already knows who RJ'S is. I don't know who it is but I'm 99% sure RJ is not on the list. I believe the video with lorelei was MADE by PJ to confuse lisbon. PJ hyponotised the women that worked with RJ and made her kill herself because PJ Somehow found out she worked with RJ in the past so he hates her. It is now PJs turn to play with RJ
I have a theory...
Lorelei is a key.
Either Lorelei Martins is alive, or she has an twin/look alike which read a script to Jane at the final of season 5.
Nobody from a Patrick Jane "7 people list" is Red John, but
[almost all/all] of them are his close accomplices.
Kirkland is one of them, and Jane knew that from the start, so he easily manipulated him by placing toothpick, and letting him steal fake information of 7 NAMES which Kirkland updated Red John with later on (RED LETTER DAY)
Patrick made a fake info of 7 names, and "gave" them to Red John, so he could think that he is a step ahead of Jane.
Jane is mastermind, he would never leave evindence of names behind him, so instead of that he used that same evidence against Red John by giving him an "illusion" of step ahead.
But Red John is not step ahead.
Jane is step ahead of him, and his accomplices now, leading them all by fake proofs, evidence and "illusion". He tricked RJ into making video, made him think that he is on Jane's level of thinking which he is not on, even if he is a mastermind criminal.
My pick still ELLIS MARS which everyone forgot about, that "too kind" psyhic, who appeared to protect his identity. I have many theories on him but we shall see if I'am right.
I thought of this theory from my point of view because this is what I would do, and I'm sure it would be genius way to get a great twist. Just a theory tho. =)
RED JOHN = 7 LETTERS!
7 SUspects!
Red John is all 7 suspects! The message in the bathroom in the old episode where it was written ''he is ma..'' actualy is ''He is many''!!
GG:P I was bored
Let's put the pieces together in a realistic attitude in which we assume that producers are not selling metaphysical stuff with this happy-crying murderer. Before presenting my theory, I want you who are interested in storytelling stuff to think about this question:
Imagine that it's a written novel and Lisbon is the narrator of this story, would this final episode be different?
I just want you to think about it.
Anyway; let's ask our ordinary question:
How can Red John know exact list of seven names of Patrick Jane?
I think non of these seven names announced by L.Martins is R.J. Moreover, P.Jane's list is different or even there is no list of 7 names. Watch the final, s5e22 carefully. P.J regularly incepts a curiosity into Lisbon's mind without satisfying it. If P.Jane actually does not Lisbon to know this seven suspects issue, Lisbon would not have any clue about it.
Watch the final part of final episode again, Red John's declaration does not say that there is 7 names but "a few names". It's definitely the same trick of Patrick Jane. A couple of week ago, he designed his "investigation room" with the awareness of Robert Kirkland's move. And yes, he simply incepted these seven names into Kirkland's mind then Kirkland's team of special agents edited the video according to these seven names.(of course with the presumption that he is accomplice of Rj)
I argue that the original version of the L.Martins video contains more suspects and probably (no reasonable evidence but a possibility which is reasonable in itself) it's 30 as CBS website gives it to us but now we are tricked by Red John who debugged other names and wanted to show P.J that "I'm much more superior than you!". At the twist, our first impression is supported by this cap ;
http://i39.tinypic.com/9kuyo6.jpg
and producers want us to feel exactly the same as Lisbon. They want us to think the metaphysical possibilities, "special powers", they constantly bolds a"faith of metaphysics in this murderer" in us as Lisbon illusioned by Sean Barlow. And they tricked us at the final. However, what makes this show "watchable" is the post-modern "unreliable narrator" technique in which the narrator and equivalently we are double tricked just like Dr. Watson of Sir A.Conan Doyle.
Shortly, I think P.Jane does not know who Red John is but now he knows that he fooled Red John for gaining advantage and he fooled Lisbon for the sake of season finale. I guess, whole trick will be unfolded at s6e1 in which we see that P.J.'s list is not 7 names but 30 names as CBS weirdly and surprisingly served us.
I know we've only seen him in one episode, but I think it could be Danny Ruskin, Jane's brother-in-law.
I was thinking and I realised that RJ seems to know a lot about Jane's past, indicating that he may have been involved in it somehow and at first I thought Jane may have a brother or sister that we've never met, but that would be rather disappointing, wouldn't it? But what if it was his wife's brother?
In the one episode we see him in (Cackle-bladder Blood), we learn that Danny grew up on the same carnival as Jane and that he later became a con-man. This would explain why RJ knows so much about Jane's past.
We also learn that Danny dislikes Jane a lot for two reasons, taking his sister out of his life and then for getting her killed by taunting RJ on TV.
But really, Danny didn't seem like the kind of person who would do that. He is a con-man though. He could hide things well. Maybe he thought that if he couldn't have his sister in his life, neither could Jane. And maybe his hostility isn't towards Jane getting his family killed, maybe he hates him because he taunted him on live TV?
Anyway, I did a little research and I found out three interesting things.
1) When people leave the carnival they don't get to come back. People hate it when others leave and the phrase 'dead to me' is often used. I know this isn't substantial evidence or anything, I just thought it was interesting and maybe a small hint at who RJ is.
2) This point is a lot more interesting. We all know how RJ uses the alias Roy Tagliaferro. Well the name Roy means red. and Ruskin has the meaning 'red-haired'. We know from Jane that people tend to use aliases that are similar or have a connection to their name.
3) After reading about the Roy-Ruskin-Red connection, I decided to see if Daniel and John had any connection at all. The name John means 'God is my judge' and the name Daniel means 'God is gracious'. I know this isn't a very definite connection, but if RJ is at all religious, it could be a possibility.
Also, remember how 'RJ' told Jane how Angela smelled before she died. Well it was done with a car bomb, so it's likely that he wouldn't have come close enough to her to know that. But someone who grew up around Angela would maybe have memories of her perfume how she would often smell.
Danny also fits the physical description of RJ very closely. The actor, Kevin Rankin, is 1.82m tall which is 5 feet 11 and 21/32 inches (points to google calculator) or just under 6 feet? We also know that he is younger than Angela (his sister), but he can't be much younger as he isn't much younger than Jane. His voice also fits the description of RJ's;soft and high-pitched.
Finally, in the same episode we meet him, Jane describes him as a 'sociopath, like all good con-men' and he often describes RJ as a sociopath too. So, does Jane maybe secretly know in his mind, as we know that RJ can hypnotise Jane?
So yeah, that's my theory on RJ being Danny Ruskin.
I am not sure it is Frye, but I think she will re-emerge at least as one of Red John's disciples, if not actually Red John. I do NOT think that RJ will end up as one of the seven on the list. Stiles, Bertram, and Kirkland are too obvious, Haffner, the Sheriff, and the FBI agent are too minor, and Partridge is too disappointing. I think RJ will end up as someone with whom Jane has developed an emotional connection, and that points to Kristina Frye, who has conveniently remained in the background for a couple of years.
Frye, like RJ, is fascinated with Jane, enjoys the gamesmanship of the relationship, is psychologically sophisticated, manipulative, self-centered, smug, amoral, and well-connected.
Kirkland clearly seems to be in league with RJ, but is too obvious as RJ himself. It cannot be CBI Ron unless his character is more fully developed in Season 6 - for dramatic reasons, RJ cannot be simply a guy who walked around in the background for 5 years carrying a cup of coffee. We - and Jane - must have some emotional connection to him in order for this to work as drama. This is not to say that Ron might not be an RJ mole.
I would also not be surprised if Susan Darcy turned out to be an RJ associate or even RJ. Even though RJ is repeatedly described as a man, we know from Timothy Carter that Red John may have many surrogates posing as himself, which leaves open the possibility that RJ is a woman. I would also not be too surprised if Van Pelt - who seems susceptible to psychological manipulation - either becomes or is already a tool of RJ. She is very idealistic, and such people are prone to be followers of people with grand ideas. But she is too young to be RJ himself.