Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister Reede Smith
Reede Smith Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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I am accusing Bruno Heller, but he wasn't on the list.

1) I am super pissed by this 30 suspects thing by CBS. We have been working on this case so hard, re-watching all the episodes several times, and CBS has ruined our work with this stupid marketing strategy to increase ratings.

2) About the statements of Bruno Heller. I don't know what the hell he is thinking, but he ruined our work as well, and possible clever theories. Why the hell is he saying that the list is real, no more twists and RJ is one of them. Maybe I want to think that it is a fake list. Maybe I don't want everything to be this damn simple and linvestigate. Maybe I enjoy double bluffs or I will crack the case?

But no. He has to market it like a shampoo. I really don't like his explanations and spoilers. If you wanna tell something, tell it in the episodes. This suspect pool on the website and spoilers of Heller is quite annoying for me. Our fun is spoiled in exchange of ratings.

Okay, let's admit some things, though we might like it or not.

Let's just all accept that the list is real, as much as we don't want to, and work on these people.

But I want to show the non-sense here:

RJ learned that Lorelei told Jane that they shook hands. And from that, he came up with 7 people that Jane would come up with weeks later. For one second, we may assume that RJ thought just like Jane and RJ is way smarter and can think just like Jane, and found the suspects in advance.

Well, there is one thing RJ doesn't know, Jane's chat with the guy from farm. He told Jane that a person painted that smiling face on the barn, a person some man called "kid".

Now obviously, RJ doesn't know that Jane knows the age of him, so he includes Bret Stiles in the list. But, how the hell does this match with Jane's list? Jane knows that Bret is too old to be RJ. 

And Gale is bald, he doesn't have short straight hair, he has no hair at all. And we know that Rosalind was telling the truth for sure, because Dumar told Jane "If only that Rosalind woman didnt show up and spoiled things..."

So, assuming that both RJ and Jane have brains, it is impossible for Jane's list to match RJ's list.

But Bruno says list is real. So what I think is Bruno doesn't give a shit about these. The viewers of the show know Bret Stiles, so he includes him. He is a popular guy somehow connected to RJ. Ppl know Gale so he is in the list.

Well, I don't give a damn about the list anymore. I don't take it serious, because it makes zero sense to me.

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I tend to think practically. If Jane was John, then it would ruin a lot of the series. It would put Jane beyond redemption. Who would ever buy merchandise and watch old episodes if they knew that they were just watching a crazy murderer who was the star of the show?

I absolutely love the theories that accuse Patrick Jane, though. Playing off of everyone's hopes/fears, I actually expect that there will be an episode in which Red John tries to convince Jane that he is, in fact, Red John. And Jane will probably be forced to seriously consider this possibility.

I don't recall specifics, but I remember two episodes in particular where people were held in high suspicion simply for being obsessed with RJ. It is a gaping hole in the show that Jane has never yet been really accused of this.

I think it's important to keep things in perspective too. I know we all care about Patrick, and we want to know about Red. But in this series alone we were faced with a character who killed an entire village of people! That has to be worse than Red John, right? If Red has to be portrayed as the true villain in the show, we're probably in for some major shenanigans yet.

Just thought I'd pitch in my two cents. :)

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Okay, Heller says that's the real list.

If so, then RJ got it or made it up before Lorelei's death. Episode 5x16.

If RJ made it up himself, independently from Patrick, then RJ is a genius. No, he is more than a genius. After all, he managed to narrow the list to the exact same seven names as Patrick did. Superman.

If RJ stole the list from Partick, then Patrick was ready with it by 5x16. What the **** was he doing in the last six episodes (5x17 - 5x22) then? 




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Remember when Walter Mashburn and Theresa hooked up? 

RJ is quite manipulative so I think somehow he managed to get Theresa to fall in love with him and to  join up with team R.J.

Just a thought after the last episode. Jane's true suspect is not on the list

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People, the writer of the show has stated that :
ONE OF THE SEVEN IS RED JOHN.
End of that discussion.

Here is my opinion on it.

1) Kirkland
It won't be Kirkland. That is beyond too obvious and the show doesn't like obvious. I believe Red John attacked somebody he loved too and he is geared to kill Red John himself.

2) Bret Stiles
Not him. Besides being too old to pull it off, Lorelei said "It's a wonder why you DIDN'T become friends as soon as you shook hands". Bret and Jane are friends, which throws this theory out of the water.

3) Brett Patridge
Too young. Realistically, how could somebody this young pull of this level of work? Also too obvious.

4) Gale Bertram
This really could have been him. If you recall from a few seasons ago during the finale, when Jane tricked the mole by telling each suspect a different room, the killer went through Bertram's room first [so they thought it was him] but the killer had rope to go down to the floor below. This could have been played as Redjohn thought that Bertram and the other guy were told different numbers because someone flubbed up, so they figured to check both. However, somebody of Red John's intellect likely wouldn't fall for it.

5) Thomas McAllister [Sheriff]
Definitely not him, too random of a character and not nearly big enough in the series.

6) Reede Smith
Definitely not him, too random of a character and not nearly big enough in the series. He's also too new of a character.

7) Leaving Ray Haffner. He's in it enough, but not enough at the same time to fit Red John. He fits all profiles given. Jane and him don't get along and he's trying to drag Lisbon away and get information off of her. The most suitable suspect.





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Personally I find very interesting coming here and reading all of your theorys, but one have got my attention: "A fake list made by Patrick to mislead Red John."
People betting in this one are missing some points of logic: for such plan work Red John HAVE to be on that list, otherwise he just won't fall for the trick! RJ would just realize that with the information Lorelei gave Jane could indeed find out who he is and so would see how fake the list is.
For that Jane would have to know who Red John is and, well, we all know that he would not be playing around if that was the case...
I think that's enough to break that theory... But if I'm wrong you guys can always enlighten my mind, of couse =p.

About the list... Well I have my guesses, but that's all what they are: guesses.
Oh, and isn't it great that just with the last episode the numbers of bets on Patrick being Red John have just lost first place? I really hated this theory. D=

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I was thinking about who Red John is for a while now. I didnt believe it was Jane, I always suspected Cho i dont know why but to me he looks identicly like the Red John's smiley face, until today i watched the Red John's rules episode. 

I guess many of you havent noticed what the song in the end of the episode is about. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cxhl8AwOf0

Something's got a hold of my heart!!!!!!
Keeping my soul and senses apart!!!!!!
Something`s gotten into my life 
Cutting its way through my dreams like a knife
Turning me up, turning me down
Making me smile and making me frown

I am still not sure but to me more times i listen to that more sure i am that it is Jane, besides, Jane is the woman name for John.


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