Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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I do NOT think it is likely that PJ is RJ, BUT there have been 2 episodes where we have been able to hear RJ speak... And let's be real people - RJ's voice is sooo obviously PJ's (simon baker) voice.
Although, that is a minor and maybe even an insignificant thing to add, it all just leaves me a bit puzzled. But I bet that's the intention ? 

I still find the RJ murder symbol very interesting.. what exactly does the smiley face made up of blood convey ? What does that represent ? What is the story/meaning behind it ? What is the message ? I think this could be a massive tool to figure out who RJ is.

And is it just me, or does NONE of the 7 people on the list seem like they could be THE RED JOHN..?!? I would imagine Red John to be like a twisted/demented/disturbed version of PJ. Idk if any of those 7 seem to be only PJ's level... maybe Stiles of visualise, but he has a distinctive BRITISH voice..lol.
Maybe PJ has an evil twin or something haha. 

we know this:
RJ definitely has a position of power and lots and lots of connections
RJ definitely has this sort of sick / obsessive interest in PJ

Ughhh i cant wait to find out who red john is!!!!!!! :D


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Before narrowing down to a single name for Red John, let us agree on a few facts/ motifs of the show.
1. The obvious suspect is NEVER the culprit.
2. There are always red herrings.
3. Most episodes involve a complex sub-plot within the obvious, bigger plot.
4. The show, like any other show, is likely to use, and does, top notch actors (I.e. actors with serious creds from other shows on television) for key roles.

In the light of the above, let's look at what we know about Red John.

1. He is omnipresent. Even for an accomplished criminal, the extent of his crime is massive. He is seemingly everywhere.
2. He recites Tyger Tyger to Jane. 'What immortal hand or eye/ could frame thy fearful symmetry'.
3. Jane's list of 7 suspects matches his own.
4. There is a definite connection between Red John and Visualize.

All this points to the fact that Red John is not one person. Red John is a gang, a cult, comprising possibly all 7 people, headed by Bret Stiles. 'What immortal hand or eye/ could frame thy fearful symmetry' is an allusion to a tiger's many stripes- that an artist, were he to attempt painting, could never get right because there are so many.

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im not really honestly sure who to accuse. but im certain that it is not Patrick Jane. some theories may say that patrick could have multiple personality disorder that is completely has a different mind of patrick and maybe that is why he is always one step ahead, can read his memories and does not kill him. 

plausible yes. but i think it is still unlikely. because for one thing, jane always works in the cbi. spends most of his time with his colleagues and sleeps upstairs of the office. if he is able to switch personalities there, surely his colleagues would have realized a change in behavior knowing how concerned lisbon is. and how could the communication take place with all his powerful connections if patrick spends most of his time with his time near his team? okay lets say that red john personality can resurface anytime it wants to. i still believe it is impossible that no one in the cbi team or that no friend or even a lay man can spot jane having a change in behavior.

but okay  for example though, he is to pull off a 100% copy of patrick's behavior and conversed with his colleagues, as an actual psychology graduate myself, i know that upon switching personalities, the personalities do not have memory of the doings of each other's actions. so if red john personality interacts and acts 100% like patrick, and then the real patrick resurface after that, dont you think that his cbi agents would be worried as to why jane could not recall the stuff he did or the things he did? because im just basing it form a  real case of multiple personality disorder and how easily it is to distinguish one. just from day-to-day interaction with the person

and one thing bothers me, if jane is red john, how the hell did he get such high ranking recruits on his side even before jane started to enter cbi? i mean, as patrick jane himself who grew up tricking people in a circus, how could that red john personality obtain such powerful people? and in a season ender (the one where patrick fakes his change of life and lorelei introduced herself), Red john was trying to recruit patrick. if red john is a personality why the hell would he still do that if they have the same body anyway? he could just leave a neutral patrick jane in that state and not interfere with the red john personality's plans.but nooooo.  why the hell would he still want to recruit jane if he is already in that helpless , neutral drinking pattern mode. it should have been to his advantage because if someone drinks he goes semi - unconscious,  the alternate personality 'red john' can easily take over the body any time more easily.

i still can't put my mind as to how can jane go about switching personalities, going elsewhere and talking to people without being noticed of that change. and with any suspicion as to the loss of memory and TIME. and Jane is smart. IF HE IS SWITCHING PERSONALITIES, HE WOULD HAVE WONDERED WHERE DID HIS TIME GO.

 i mean,look guys lets talk logic, if the alternate personality takes over, it also takes a certain amount of time of the day. he takes atleast hours of jane's day to do all that killing and communication and going about to places. and by the time red john alter ego is done, he will switch back to Patrick Jane personality right?

okay, now as he goes back to being patrick jane personality dont you think that Jane will wonder where had time gone to?? and if he tries to recall what he did, he wont be able to recall that?
he is smart. dont you think he will doubt himself after a few episodes of his inability to remember what the hell he did within a period of hours? if you were in his shoes i think you even would wonder where your time has gone to.

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Upvote, downvote, whatever, this isn't a theory but nowhere else to put it. Anjin posting.

Apologize for the rant which follows:

 



The series is veering a bit too close to absurdity for me,
not only because the most logical (to me) suspects are now off the list of
possibilities, but because Red John now has mental acumen more advanced than anyone
could reasonably imagine. He’s become super-villain. Forget the fact that RJ
somehow picked a memory out of Jane’s head and “murdered” it, though that
certainly chafes reason (though it is, yes, an original twist, or at least I’ve
never seen it before).  I suppose this
could be explained somehow by Jane letting the memory slip during counseling,
hypnosis during his year-long sanitarium visit, or something similar.  At least there’s that possibility, albeit
remote, or maybe one or two other explanations which would not go off the wires
into mind-reading.  (And I’d argue the
ethos of the show, regardless of what Heller has stated, is very much
anti-quackery rather than on the metaphorical/ metaphysical fence.)


 



No, what really pisses me off is that Red John has made up
the list of Jane’s for him—that the list was exactly what Jane had in his mind.
How is this even supposed to be remotely possible? Lorelei was dead before
Kirkland stormed Jane’s office (and this is assuming Kirkland is RJ or is
feeding him information).  So then
logically the video file had to have been made prior to any knowledge of Jane’s
bulletin board contents (which of course we have to assume were at least
partially doctored by Jane as a ruse.)  


 



So where, then, does this leave us? Hidden cameras? Or Red
John just knows Jane so well he knows all the people on the planet that Jane
has remembered that he met in the last 10 or so years? And then, after divining
these names, RJ has the mental acuity to narrow that (gargantuan) list down to
seven names?  Come on. It strains
credulity that Jane can do it with his OWN memory, but that Red John can do it
over the airwaves, as is were, is bullshit. Unless Jane IS Red John, which we
know now definitively he is not. Unless Heller is purposefully deceiving us. But
that way madness lies.


 



If anyone has a reasoned explanation as to RJ’s ability here
that doesn’t touch on “powers” please reply and let me have it.

 

I won’t even mention the in-plot idiocy of letting the Red
John associate into a car without a bodyguard to keep her from, say, killing
herself with a pill. Defies sense. In fact that seemed like an afterthought
scene, as if it had been filmed later—you never saw Jane or Lisbon make mention
of her death at all. Yet she was, here, suddenly, someone who knew Red John!
Just like Rebecca, Jared, Lorelei. Why would Jane even let her out of his
sight??

 



Rant over. Now in terms of speculation.

 



The list has been put out there and there are already all
sorts of really good theories coming out of it. I would like to think that once
we all have the time to go back and watch all the episodes in which these
people have appeared (and any other episodes with references to these, by the
same writers, etc.) we will have a better mass of material to work with.

 

I’m going to start out with the premise that we have to take
Heller at his word on the list. (see: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/06/mentalist-finale-season-6-red-john-list/)  Red John is one of those suspects. Red John
is not Jane.  The list is not a ruse.
There are no anagrams in the list. There is no one named Brett
Haffner-Stiles-Partridge who we haven’t seen yet but whose name is still there
just by chance.  No, at least one of
these guys is Red John.  Maybe more than
one.  Yes.  Maybe more than one. And I think we’ll know
who it is probably as soon as the first half of the next season, maybe in the
first few episodes. The rest will be some kind of pursuit when that character
falls off the grid.


 



The sheriff? He was in season one. Everyone, I expect, has
forgotten about him. He’s a good actor, loved him in the series 24. Have seen him as a character actor
in a lot of stuff I can’t recall. One of those faces. Reliable. Much like the
guy who played Timothy Carter whom I feel the same way about. But I doubt this
sheriff is Red John just because he’s so remote in my memory. Was he a dubious
character? Yes. He also got beaten by Jane in paper/rock/scissors repeatedly in
one of the best opening sequences of the series.  Doubt it’s him.


 



Reede Whatsit. FBI guy. Why him? He’s a dolt, an emotionally
reactive FBI suit, not particularly memorable. Don’t know why he’s even on the
list. Is there any evidence that it could possibly be him besides Jane saying
he’s on the list?  Remember when he and
Cho went at it? It’d be great if it were him just to see Cho knock him on the
hood of a car again.


 

That’s two suspects dismissed.

 



The only person on the list who is currently seriously
suspicious is Kirkland, who has murdered in cold blood and lied about it
(Lennon, in the hospital). He has expressed great interest in Jane and his
search for Red John, he was ret-conned conveniently into the series here in
season 5, as if he “had always been around.” He has contacts, is in a position
of power in his job as Homeland Security agent, has agents under him who do his
bidding seemingly without the need to report to anyone else (evidenced by their
shrugging off when he says he’ll “take care of it” once they supply him with
the photos of Jane’s office.) He fits the physical profile given by Harker. He
has a soft voice. He seems interested in approaching Lisbon at an angle to get
at Jane. He has physically shaken hands with Jane. He was very interested in
Lorelei Martins’ capture. He states (as was pointed out on this site) that he
“grew up in America” suggesting he moved a lot, suggesting a possible
connection to carnivals (though really this is unlikely).

 



But. He is hardly charming. He can barely hold a normal
conversation with Lisbon. He shook hands with Jane, as many people have
noticed, while Lorelei was in jail. He doesn’t seem to have any connection with
Visualize (though he may, later.) Is this just poor continuity/scripting? Or is
this some kind of clue? If Kirkland is Red John no one should be surprised, but
in the same way no one should be surprised if it turns out Lisbon is in love
with Jane. It’s so obvious it’s too obvious. Surely we can expect a bit more
subtlety regarding the central mystery of the series? If it’s Kirkland, let’s
just know already and make chase.

 



Kirkland is also in league with Bertram. So there’s a
Bertram/Kirkland connection.

 

Haffner: He’s Visualize. He fits the profile of Harker. He
is a cop who tried to infiltrate the CBI but failed. I’ve mentioned my
disagreement with the possibility that he’s Red John in other places, but he
has admitted to being a Visualize member, which puts him and Stiles in the same
boat. While Haffner may not know everything about Stiles, Stiles definitely knows
everything about Haffner.

 

Red John has a Visualize connection. Meaning Stiles is
involved at least peripherally. If the series went into season 7 or 8, I could
see pursuit of Visualize as a further plot device. I wonder how that would sit
in LA, heartland of Scientology.

 



That leaves Partridge. But all the reasons against Partridge are seeming feeble--basically we need to know more about the guy.

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You are guessing but i think Red John does not exist yet. Watching the story, i assume that easily can be created a person who fit to the story. Remember, it is a serie, the most important thing to keep the eyes on the screen. I can't get off my mind the story of Lost.

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Van Pelt is ginger and unlikely to have a soul. Case closed.

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When Lorelei Martins says it's a wonder you weren't friends since the moment you shook hands. It was said
to Patrick Jane to demean him and to imply that he and red john were alike and this would be even more biting if Lorelei knew from first hand knowledge. If it was a story that red john had told her third hand or not a momentous occasion. This would not of been used as an offhand insult with the passion it was delivered with. Lorelei Martins was still on good terms with red john before she insults him and wanted to be released so she could serve him. Its possible that brett stiles and patrick jane did shake hands in the beginning of this episode, but it goes back to the movie when they pause to leave. The main thing is it needs to be someone that jane would have respect for that would bother him to know that there the killer and Bret Stiles is such a suspect, but he is the obvious choice.

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