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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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First, let's have a look at the list with the "Final 7":

- Bret Stiles: 69 of age. Certainly he is far too old for being RJ himself (Red Barn murders in 1988 - quote: "almost kids"). Stiles was 44 at this time and already the leader of Visualize. But I think, he is RJ's dad or his older brother or anything like that, cause he's the one who has the nessecary resources RJ needs to hire his disciples. Stiles may love his son, though he is a killer, anyhow, he fears him, so he ordered a 24/7 observation for him. That's why Stiles knows "more about RJ than even RJ would ever imagine". So: NO!

- Gale Bertram: Far too tall for being RJ and btw: he has a beer belly. Remember: There have been some scenes, where we saw RJ's shape and even his height (The murder of Rebecca, for example: Compare Rebecca's height with the height of the two guards and on the other hand compare the result with RJ's height. Or remember the scene, when RJ saves PJ's life: Of causehe is disguised, but that guy is 6''0 at most, though he is wearing boots). Somebody noticed, that Bertram is the only one of the "final 7" wearing a ring. That's true, but remember "He IS Mar". If you watch this scene with french or norwegian subtitles it means "He is married". But look at the "IS". It's capitalized. I think, we are not searching for someone who wears a ring but rather for someone who "IS" married and doesn't wear a ring in public. I put my money on the theory, that Bertram is in RJ's debt. So he is working for the bad guy. But he is definitely not RJ. NO!

- Bob Kirkland: One of my favorite suspects. Fits RJ's profile all over. He allways seems a little too late (shook hands with PJ after Lorelei told PJ, his guys broke into PJ's appartement, after the video was relesed). But I'm as safe as houses, that Kirkland changed his whole identity, including plastic surgery (quote: "Do you recognize me" befor he killed Lennon). Patrick and him know each other for a long time and they shook hands a couple of years before. And why did he order those guys to break in PJ's appartement, when he is RJ and allready knows about PJ's list with the final 7 suspects? Cause the video, that patrick has shown to Lisbon is not the same, that he got from Miriam Gottlieb (more of this later). And remember the hint, that Bruno Heller gave us: "The killer likes cold". Just look at the van, when Kirkland's two guys broke into PJ's appartement...;-)

Ther's more to come later, cause it's time for dinner in Germany right now! ;-)

See you soon

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I have a feeling that Ron is RJ. Not strong clues supporting it though. He fits to the standard characteristics of RJ, plus he can have easy acces on Jane's files (season 5 last ep.) in order to see his files and get the same suspects. The only true clue.. He appears in way too many episodes, for just a side character on the series (without even any lines. We've never heard him talking)..!!! Safest choice for me.
(Plus, because Jane made a list, it doesn't have to be correct. And it doesn't mean that Bruno Heller is not misleading us, to make a dramatic finale)




Brett Partridge is too young to be RJ.  In seas. 5 ep 15 RJ is supposed to be 21 in 1988. No way


Brett Partridge

Patrick Jane is a pretty good suspect i must confess, but highly improbable. Could be though, if he's schizofrenic. There are many good evidence supporting the theory that Jane is RJ and in the episode where RJ saves him, to counteract the common difficulty, Patrick could have ordered Timothy Carter to follow him around.

Bret Stiles I think Janes' team could find if Stiles was in the farm in 1988. He doesn't seem right to be RJ.







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Now, I'm not saying Jane is Red John or isn't Red John. I'm not that arrogant. However, I take issue with everyone using Bruno Heller's latest interview as foolproof regarding this theory. If Jane is Red John then Heller would never tell us so. He has, however, delivered a very short, sharp: "Jane is not Red John". It was so concise but still leaves enough wiggle room for him to say, at a later date, Jane is not Red John but Red John is Jane. The only way this theory works is if Jane has a dis-associative disorder and is unaware of how insane he must be. He's the writer and creator so he has to look after his story and its secrets. If you've never heard of a TV show producer lying about a show before then you haven't paid much attention to the entertainment biz or are extremely naive.

As for things pointing towards Jane being Red John in the season finale:

The main one being that Red John knew the exact list Jane would come up with weeks before Jane did. He had to know the meticulous nature in which Jane would whittle down that list perfectly.  Red John also knew about a happy memory that only Jane, himself, knew. He even used the same terminology as Jane did (through Lorelei) in describing the destruction of this "happy memory".

There are several episodes that have a sly nod towards Jane being Red John, but there is much "evidence" to disprove it also. However, I seem to be in a minority who recognise that The Mentalist is a TV show, so is open to dramatic licence like the lead being the ultimate villain. Every idiosyncrasy can be explained if you reach hard enough (Just look at the pathetic final season of Lost)

I will be interested to see how the writers can feasibly explain these things without it being Jane as Red John. I also hope it is not Partridge. The actor playing him is nondescript, his character is flat and uninteresting and he would be a dour villain after so many years of investigations. The only actor, for me, worthy of pulling off Red John is Malcolm McDowell, so I personally hope that Bret Stiles is Red John (That is if the list of 7 is where Red John's identity resides)

Ps. Does anyone hope that the list of 7 is a red herring because I find the idea of the final identity of this villain being spoon fed to us, the viewer, as quite insulting. I mean, Jane would also need to know things that he literally could not know to compile that list; like where each of those men were at the exact time of Red John killings. Jane has a powerful memory, but his memory has nothing to do with knowing where the suspects were or were not at any given time. He cannot know where they all were at those times. No-one could. There would be no definitive record of their whereabouts to leave those 7 men as the only ones under suspicion. Am I the only one seeing the flaws?

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Theory #3324 • By CDiddy2
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Does anyone know if Jane actually saw his wife and daughters body after they were murdered? I just watched the last episode of Elementry, which got me thinking that maybe Red John is actually Janes wife who faked her own death...who else could possibly know Janes 'happy thought' from his childhood? He clearly states he told no one that thought, but does that include his wife? Furthermore, the writers of the show clearly know whoever they pick to be Red John will be a complete let down unless its someone completely out of left field that NO one could have guessed. Has anyone ever stopped and thought about what kind of a woman Janes wife had to be to mentally keep up with him to the point he would commit to marrying her? Red John is just as obessed with Jane as Jane is about Red John...there's a relationship between them. Red John would have killed Jane by now just to make sure Janes doesn't figure out who he/she is, considering Janes smarts combined with his determination to kill Red John. The only way Red John can, with 100% certainty, continually interact with Jane and know he/she won't be caught, is to literally be the only person Jane belivies Red John can't be....his "dead" wife.

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Red John is the mom from How I Met Your Mother

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According to me, Gale Bertram is Red John....
season 3 episode 1...bertram addresses jane as "boy wonder". This proves that he knows about jane's past...

season 3 episode 1...jane says he gets a weird vibe from bertram.

season 3 episode 16...as many people have noticed, bertram quotes a william blake poem...red john quotes a different blake poem in season 2 finale...

season 3 finale...as very well theorized in theory #3183 by BeMyGuest121010, Gale bertram is most probably the reason all of that happened....kindly read it...its very good....and it backs my theory :-D ....one more thing..when jane says RJ has a friend in the CBI, bertram says "this man's a prodigy"...thats classic psychopath behaviour...its thin i know, but still...
Really though, read theory 3183 for proof regarding season 3 finale...

season 4 episode 1...bertram makes osvald ardiles put jane away for as long as possible...i think that's coz he needs time to sort out all the mess like killing that bald security guy, etc....then, when he visits lisbon, he talks with the same calmness and intrigue in his voice as red john....he also tells lisbon to forget about jane....Now, he talks to ardiles and ensures that no death penalty will be issued....we all know that RJ wants jane to be alive...thats why he came to rescue him in season 2 finale....

season 5 episode 14...when lisbon goes to bertram to ask for money for van pelt's computer training thing, he asks her about the poker game...she says"its just a game"..then he reads her just like jane does to others "you dont believe that" he says...

season 5 episode 16...bertram is talkin to kirkland about something when lisbon walks in...as we know, kirkland is MOST PROBABLY red john's associate...
then in the same episode, kirkland is lurking behind the door when bertram and lisbon are talkin about the case...after she leaves, there's the weirdest conversation between kirkland and bertram...he says "can we trust anyone"...he says that with a deranged expression....much like in season 5 episode 13, that father describes that man talkin about the smiley face outside the visualise farm (quote- "what does anything mean")...

finally, season 5 finale.....bertram is on jane's list of 7 suspects....

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Did anybody else noticed that Lorelai stressed very much the name of raymond haffner when she was reading the list of seven (more than the other six ones)? 

I really hope that Haffner is NOT Red John! 

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