Lorelei Martins is red john, after she kill her self she have call patrick from heaven.
Lorelei Martins is red john, after she kill her self she have call patrick from heaven.
Acording to Heller Red John is one of 7 people on that list.
1.Bret Stiles
Never killed a person (at least not proved), would rather have someone else do it.
Red John enjoys to kill, Bret Stiles not (or he probably would have killed his victims himself).
2.Gale Bertram
Was already suspected of being an accomplice of RJ.So it would be boring from a narrative view to have him as RJ.
3.Ray Haffner
Member of Visualize. Fits the profile and is already an established character on the show.
4.Reede Smith
Appears in Season 5. You don't know a lot about him, so why is he on the list?
5.Robert Kirkland
Appears out of nowhere in Season 5. More of a distraction, but he's definitly "evil".
6.Sheriff Thomas McAllister
Doesn't seem to have the intelligence and looks like a random choice to me. But he will return in Season 6.
7.Brett Partridge
Most theories say it's him, but I've got a feeling that Heller wouldn't make it that easy.
My top three are: Ray Haffner, Brett Patridge and Sheriff Thomas McAllister.
Patrick's father is Red John.
Lisbons brother and/or family is being held hostage and that is why Lisbon told Red John about the happy memory of Aileen or her office is possibly bugged which would indicate Bertram is involved.
Loralai is still alive or killed after making the video during the season finale. That is why the social worker went to where the baby was later at night.
Kirkland works with Red John and had his guys steal the notes that Patrick intentionally left to see who would break into his room at the CBI. He knew only CBI or FBI could pull off breaking into his room. That is why he left the toothpick in the door to know when to the bait had been taken.
Patrick's father / Kirkland know how Patrick thinks and was able to deduce the same list of 7 that Patrick planted. I think all 7 on the list work with Red John but Patrick's father is Red John.
Bruno Heller wrote only 17 episodes.
For me the main question is: did Heller altready know who RJ is or is he trying to find *now* a viable RJ that will not disappoint us too much?
In the second case there is not much we can guess and we can only wait. And hope not to be very disappointed.
In the first case, where he planned a smart plot carefully and planted elements around the whole five seasons, we can try to find who RJ is. I really hope this is the case of course.
In that case, I am pretty sure that Heller wrote the main RJ storyline without leaving the job to his other screenwriters. My theory is that we should filter the seven suspects against this 17 episode list. I would dare to add that RJ was introduced in one of these episodes!
Let me play this game, here is the list of Heller's related episodes:
"Pilot": introduced Brett Partridge
"Red Hair and Silver Tape": introduced Sheriff Thomas McAllister
"Red John's Friends"
"Carnelian, Inc."
"Red John's Footsteps"
"Redemption"
"Black Gold and Red Blood"
"Code Red"
"Red Sky in the Morning"
"Red Sky at Night": introduced Gale Bertram
"Red Moon"
"Strawberries and Cream"
"Scarlet Ribbons"
"Cheap Burgundy"
"The Crimson Hat"
"The Crimson Ticket": introduced Reede Smith.
"Red John's Rules"
Surprise surprise!
Bret Stiles, Ray Haffner, Bob Kirkland were introduced in episodes not written and not directed by Heller! I really think we can exclude them because of this.
So the original 7 persons list could be reduced to:
Brett Partridge
Sheriff Thomas McAllister
Gale Bertram
Reede Smith
Since Reed Smith was introduced just a few episodes ago and McAllister has been a very minor character, I would dare to reduce the list to
Brett Partridge
Gale Bertram
I am a bit disapponited by both of them :-(
Now I just have to guess...
Brett has been a major suspect (the one that even my mom would suspect from episode one...) so to get at least a bit of surprise I would say that Heller went for GALE BETRAM.
Awful, but I fear that can be the result. After many years of guessing... :-(
BULLSHIT !!!...the 7 suspects list? i don't buy it...5x22 Patrick says-" i've narrow it down to all men that could've possibly been in all of red john's murder sites." REALLY?...REALLY? in order for this to be true doesn't make sense that jane has to have proof that this seven could've been there.HONESTLY PEOPLE look at the 7 suspects you mean to tell me people than only appeared in 1 or 2 episodes could've been in all of rj murder sites?people like the sherriff or reid smith..THAT'S JUST INSULTING.WALTER MASHBURN makes more sense in more ways than one than these 2.so you're telling me somebody like kirkland,stiles, or even gale bertram were there and patrick has proof that there might have been there when rebeca was killed?...or for that matter any of this 7 could just travel anywhere any time they wished whenever rj killed somebody far away like the guy in tijuana or the reporter outside of california?...come on !!....somehow i don't see stiles,gale,...or kirkland going anywhere any time they wished because of their jobs and busy schedule...patrick also viewed the recording on the dvd long before he showed it to lisbom,is safe to think that something else could have been on the dvd after all it was meant for patrick ,which would make sense for him to break it before lisbon or anybody else sees it.and kept the info to himself.YOU HAVE TO SEE THE MENTALIST WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.if you are one of those people that say...""'rj can't be stlies ,he's too old because rosalind said...." or "bruno heller said patrick is not red john "...YOU CAN'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING!..is a mistery drama tv show...and if you watched any mistery,or who done movie for the past 15 or 20 years...when the killer is revealed is was most likely somebody nobody suspected..WHO YOU ASK?it could be anybody?man or woman patrick or lisbon or somebody else...all they have to do is add a few twists and fixed loose ends from previous seasons...and then you'll go back and watch others seasons and say.." of course it all makes sense,how i didnt see it before,they sure fooled me! ".....I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING..a lot of RED JOHN murders seemed to happen during the night,there's one guy that has a hard time sleeping....by the way have we ever seen what he actually does during the night??my theory is not red john's identity...i'm just saying WE can't believe everything we see...somebody asked heller " everything points to patrick being rj or having a sptit personality is patrick red john? he answered " patrick jane is not red john "...come on people..heller is going to say "patrick could be rj " !-it would take part of the fun out of the show. 2-it would take attention away from the other suspects 3.rating would go even lower.4heller would loose money..5 if in fact for some reason he is revealed as rd by the season 6 end..brunno had already milked the cow dry a)bruno is happy with all the money he made and b) audience is somehow happy that they were fooled thus making the mentalist and red john the greatest mistery ever.....HERE'S ANOTHER POINT...before the end of the season finale patrick says to lisbon...' i've narrow it down to 7 suspects...then almost at the end he get the video and gets to see it way before lisbon so... 1.what if patrick came up with more than 7 let's say for the sake of argument 8 suspects and lied to lisbon and we all know she can't tell when he is lieing...after all it took him a whole week to figure it out unlike red john.2-.patrick was able to pick the photos only rj figured out and keep any other to himself...if patrick would have told lisbon the list when he wanted to when they went to see the woman patrick wouldn't be able to switch the photos because lisbon would have known....i'm not acussing patrick..i'm just saying he is the perfect suspect,,among a lot of reasons..PATRICK JANE IS IN ALL OF THE EPISODES.RED JOHN AS PATRICK JANE IS LIKE WALDO ....happy hunting !! and dont forget to pay atention and don't believe everything you see or hear.
The information below is a collection good of theory's that I have somewhat consolidated. I tried to place as much fact into each of the suspects and their lightly-hood of being RJ as of yet. At the end I have given my personal thoughts on the matter; thoughts not based on fact. Please read and feel free to give me feed back!
Bret Stiles
Seen in:
Season 2 Episode 20 -
Red All Over
Season 3 Episode 3 - The
Blood on His Hands
Season 4 Episode 16 -
His Thoughts Were Red Thoughts
Season 5 Episode 8 - Red
Sails in the Sunset
Suspicions of being Red John:
~Runs a cult so extremely manipulative like Red John.
~High intellect, has so far avoided jail and held the leadership of
Visualize through his cunning and intellect.
~Knew the location of
Kristana Frye while she was being held by Red John.
Red John verdict:
~While having a strong
connection to Red John is very unlikely to be Red John himself. The voice and
age do not match what we've seen of Red John. Also it is very unlikely that Red
John would help Jane facilitate the escape of Lorelei Martins.
Gale Bertram:
Seen in:
Season 3 Episode 1 - Red
Sky at Night
Season 3 Episode 4 - Red
Carpet Treatment
Season 3 Episode 13 -
Red Alert
Season 3 Episode 16 -
Red Queen
Season 3 Episode 23 -
Strawberries and Cream: Part 1
Season 3 Episode 24 -
Strawberries and Cream: Part 2
Season 4 Episode 1 -
Scarlet Ribbons
Season 4 Episode 2 -
Little Red Book
Season 5 Episode 1 - The
Crimson Ticket
Season 5 Episode 3 - Not
One Red Cent
Season 5 Episode 14 -
Red in Tooth and Claw
Season 5 Episode 16 -
There Will Be Blood
Suspicions of being Red John:
~Quoted William Blake
like Red John.
~Was already on suspected
of being Red John or one of his accomplices back in Strawberries and Cream.
~High level position
which would allow him to develop his contacts and accomplices.
Red John verdict:
~He's a possible
candidate due to his position, but I feel he's been gamed by Jane too many
times for him to be Red John. Also most recently, in Red in Tooth and Claw, I
feel he would not need the help from Jane to do better in Poker if he was Red
John.
Ray Haffner:
Seen in:
~Season 4 Episode 2 -
Little Red Book
~Season 5 Episode 13 -
The Red Barn
Suspicions of being Red John:
~Has shaken hands with
Jane when they first met.
~High Ranking member of
the CBI.
~Confirmed Visualize
member, but unconfirmed to whether he was at the Barn the same time as Red
John.
Red John verdict:
~We haven't seen enough
of him to really get a feel for him so I place him high on the chances of being
Red John for being a member of Visualize and fitting the age, build,
intelligence criteria.
Reede Smith:
Seen in:
~Season 5 Episode 1 - The
Crimson Ticket
Suspicions of being Red John:
~Part of the FBI
Red John verdict:
~Honestly, I have no idea
why this guy is on the list. We know literally nothing about him. His partner
Gabe Mancini makes a better suspect than this guy does.
Robert Kirkland:
Seen in:
~Season 5 Episode 5 - Red
Dawn
~Season 5 Episode 7 - If
It Bleeds, It Leads
~Season 5 Episode 8 - Red
Sails in the Sunset
~Season 5 Episode 16 -
There Will Be Blood
~Season 5 Episode 18 -
Behind the Red Curtain
~Season 5 Episode 19 -
Red Letter Day
Suspicions of being Red John:
~Shook Jane's hand at the
end of If It Bleeds, It Leads.
~Member of Homeland Security which allows him to develop contacts and
accomplices.
~Has a high interest in
the Red John case and Lorelei Martins.
~Kills Jason Lennon who knows the identity of Red John.
~Has agents break into
Jane's room to gather all the information that Jane has on Red John.
Red John verdict:
~Most likely a Red John
accomplice. He met Jane and shook hands with him while Lorelei was in jail so
she had no way of knowing they had met. Also it would be too dangerous for Red
John himself to go kill Jason Lennon personally.
Thomas McAllister:
Seen in:
~Season 1 Episode 2 - Red
Hair and Silver Tape
Suspicions of being Red John:
~Honestly, I've got
nothing. Everything about him screams not Red John.
Red John verdict:
~Probably not Red John, if it's him I will be sorely disappointed.
Brett Partridge:
Seen in:
~Season 1 Episode 1 -
Pilot
~Season 2 Episode 23 -
Red Sky in the Morning
~Season 5 Episode 15 -
Red Lacquer Nail Polish
~Season 5 Episode 22 -
Red John's Rules
Suspicions of being Red John:
~Completely fascinated by Red John cases.
~Appears at the two
copycat Red John scene saying it was Red John and at the actual Red John scene
says its not him.
~Height, build and voice
are most similar to Red John.
~The Tyger is a poem by William Blake, who also has a painting called A Brace of
Partridge .
~He is creepy and PJ dislikes him from the start. (Accuses him of liking his job too much (Forensics expert))
~His job would allow him to perfectly remove any trace of him.
Red John verdict:
~He is the most likely
candidate for being Red John, but too likely. But he was seen in the very first
episode and important Red John episodes. He may just end up being a red
herring, but he's still at the top of my list of Red John suspects.
Analysis:
In the last episode we are
given the most information about Red John, however there are also
many loose ends that are never accounted for.
PJ always keeps his study
room locked, however he revels to all of the CBI that he is close to
finding RJ and leaves his study unlocked while he sleeps. He sets
the trap to see if his study is broken into. After finding his study was broken
into PJ is seen burning his evidence, he is also no longer concerned with
Lisbon entering.
It seems to me that PJ had
his list, but was stuck. So he sets the room up to be discovered. This seems to
be a ploy that may or may not have worked. And it is possible that the list was
a decoy.
How else would RJ be able to know the list, unless
PJ is RJ and I hate that theory. RJ is clever, but not omniscient.
So I would conclude that while the list could
contain RJ, it is also very possible that the list is incomplete as of now. I
would be willing to bet that RJ grew up with PJ and parted ways as children.
Then when PJ was reintroduced to RJ he was under an alias. That is the only way
for RJ to know so much about PJ, and the reasoning behind the torment that RJ
seems so determined to inflict on PJ. A grudge that could be explained by say,
PJ's Brother or Father.
If we assume that the list is complete and RJ is
one of the seven. Then it would seem obvious that Partridge is Red John.
I seriously doubt we will ever know, and like so many TV
shows before we will always have debates and arguments as to the real killer.
We all hope it doesn't happen, but prepare yourselves friends.
Please let me know your thoughts, and thanks for
reading.
Credit to ispikey.
Well, here I am again...I allways keep my promises.;-)
Up to the other suspects:
- Sheriff McAllister: My insiders tip. If he is RJ, he has to be Stile's younger brother, cause the actor is already 57. His shape looks a little like RJ, when he killed Rebecca. And he is from the Countryside (quote: He smells like pine, nails and earth). In addition to that, he acted a little suspicious in the presence of Van Pelt, if you remember. But maybe he is not the the real one. It also could be, that RJ John just lives in McAllister's county and he helps RJ to keep his cover. Maybe RJ blackmailed him. In any case for me McAllister is the one, who abused Van Pelt when she was a child (remember the restaurant scene in pilot). He is a "could be RJ".
- Brett Partridge: Together with Kirkland my second odds-on favorite. Who tf tells, that he is too young? In fact he is 44. Who means, he is crackbrained? He is a forensic expert. But there is more. It's part of the script, that he is head of the forensic department. His rank should be higher than simply "agent" or "special agent". I think, he must have at least a diploma in medical science. And he should have studied criminalistics as well. Yes, It would be a little obvious. But in fact his profile fits absolute everything we ever learned in the last 5 seasons. Height, shape, haircut. He also likes "cold" (Sometimes he surely has to examine bodys in the morgue and "Partridges" typically live in the tundra ;-)). What a great disguise for RJ: Acting like Partridge did, but being a criminal mastermind. That would be a little like Sherlock Holme's nemesis Moriarty, wouldn't it? Conclusion:YES!
- Ray Haffner: Also a good suspect. Expert for wiretap operations and undercover surveillance, member of Visualize, height, shape and haircut fits the discription as well as his age. And remember the Timothy Carter episode: Bruno Heller stated: "For those with an eye for details, you might have seen RJ in the twinkling of an eye." Noooo. I don't wanna talk about the "Red Sweater Man". But rewatch the moment when the guards surround Patrick after he killed Carter. There's a man with a baseball cap running through the backround (left to right). Imho he seems to look a little like Haffner. And did you notice, that Carter allways answerde with delay? Ranked number 3 in MY list of suspects.
- Reede Smith: Reede WHO? All right, he just appeared in episode in season 5. I guess, the only reason why he is on PJ's list is because his name is similar to "Roy Tagliaferro" in other languages. "Reede" is gaelic, I think, for "Red" (nickname "Roy"). And "Smith" - "Tagliaferro" - "cut iron"...mmmmh? And he is too tall and (sorry Drew Powell) a little too corpulent
But he's the "mole inside the FBI", I guess. But Red John? NOPE!!!
That was part 2 of my theories about the 7 suspects. Next time, I will try to explain, what's up with the video, I will subsume the facts and I will try to forecast, what's gonna happen in season 6.