Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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call me crazy but I think brett partridge is RJ.
just a gut feeling on the man
ask yourself this
1) how does RJ manage to get so many details from the CBI
2) how doe RJ manage to sneak in and disappear into the CBI
3) how does RJ know all the spots where security cams can pick him?
he seems the only one to match the face of the mask, the only one to be smart enough to know the poem of tiger tiger, and the only one charming enough to get the ladies...
I can safely rule out that Jane isn't RJ due to the fact that he has no motive and was on live TV while the murder was being committed

(this is just a hunch so please don't say that all this is flawed, because I already know it is..like I said before its only a hunch)

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I truly believe that Bret Stiles is our man. To me he is the only actor who can really pull it off, and the only one of the suspects who is capable of having that much power and influence over such a vast number of people...just like he does in visualize. He is charming, witty and surely has a dark side. Red John uses peoples weaknesses to get his victims to trust him and depend on him....When Bret was in Jail he tried to get to Grace in much the same way.
Now looking at the facts. When Bret helped Jane break Lorelai out of jail "homeland security"(Kirkland)  on it in no time. I truly believe that Bret was using Jane as a pawn to get Lorelai where he wanted her to kill her off. 

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Hello everyone,

after a lot of thinking and re-watching episodes, I now decided to accuse Bret Stiles of being Red John. Here is why:

I am a fan of "Ockham's razor theory". This basically says that the answer with the least assumptions is the one to be prefered, because it is the most likely.

Now, in one episode, Patrick explains this theory to his colleagues. That means the writers are aware of this theory.

With that in mind, I re-watched several episodes which feature the suspects from the list.

To keep it short: Most of them seem very unlikely, both on-screen as well as off-screen. It turned out that McAllister would be a good suspect due to his suspicious behaviour against Van Pelt in S01E02. However, it makes no sense to make a one-time-guest-actor to become the main evil of the series.

Partridge again is sloppy, insecure and definitely not a ladies-man. How do you picture him gathering plenty of followers who happily give their lives for him? He is more likely to become obsessed with Red John and start a new life as a copy killer. ;)

Now, to rule out the others: Red John is someone unique. Someone extraordinairy. He is special, let's face it. At least this is how the character is drawn. We cannot expect anything less from him. He is a main ingredient of the show.

That fact alone rules out most other suspects. None of them has a personality that could make us believe he is such a big player as Red John.

None of them - except one: Bret Stiles. And now Ockham comes into play. I re-watched S03E03. And the clues are quite overwhelming. I watched this episode particularly with Ockham's theory in mind and it makes perfect sense. Please watch the episode to better understand what I mean. I will give only one example here:

At the end of the episode, Stiles hands out a paper with the address where Red John hides Kristina Frye. When asked how he knows what Red John is planning, Stiles replies cryptically that he knows so much more than Patrick and John. This of course is a completely meaningless reply and just says that he will not reveal his sources.

Ockham would say: There are two likely explanations: 1. Red John told Stiles the address. 2. Stiles is Red John. Before remembering Ockham, I always thought: This is way too obvious, but if you take into consideration that the writers are aware of Ockham, it is also likely that they use this tool for their storytelling. They trick us with so many things that they know that we wouldn't believe such a simple truth, even if presented on a silver plate to us. ;)

There are other scenes in this episodes that indicate Stiles being Red John. The "relationship" between John and Patrick is often described as some sort of, well, not "love", but something special from John's point of view. Stiles talks about this same, well, let's call it affection, that he feels for Patrick. He also refers to him as friend and even "my dear". This fits into the picture, too.

Then again, we all remember that some people (well, at least one) are surprised that Patrick and Red John are not best friends, because they are so alike. And while Stiles somehow (especially in later episodes) seems to seek out for some sort of friendship with Patrick, it is quite clear that while Patrick respects Stiles, he does definitely not consider him as a friend. (Otherwise, he would not be on the list anyway.) This speaks for my theory as well, because Stiles is (apart from Bertram, but he seems so unlikely to me that I do not even consider thinking about him) the only character with whom Patrick could befriend. All others did not even get the space for building up anything with Patrick.

So, yeah, this is basically my thought about who is Red John. I think I forgot one more "fact" I wanted to present, but it already is a wall of text anyway. ;) Thanks for your time.

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Well my theory is a little bit different. While Patrick was in mental institution, he was hypnotized by one of the doctors-Red John. And he is under Red John's control all the time. They probably meet now and then, and Patrick tells everything he knows to Red John. After that, RJ erases PJ's memory about the meeting. That's why he is always one step ahead, and he knows 7 suspects and Patrick's happy memory.

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First let me say that it would break my heart if Lisbon turned out to be Red John. I don't want "Jisbon" to happen (the Jisbon fans kind of piss me off, and a mid-series romance between them would kill so much of the character and drama of the show we love), but because Teresa has, up to this point, been the only real sympathizer to Jane and is perhaps his only "friend".

That said, I could totally see it being Lisbon, because it would be the tragic end to it all, and would present Jane with the most dramatic choice possible for the series--to have to kill the women he secret really loves, his only friend, because she turns out to be the serial killer who murderd his family and drove him to miserable desperation. From the perspective of writing gripping drama this would be the best move I think, and even if Lisbon doesn't end up being Red John, I still think that she will at least emerge as a suspect before the series ends. As a writer, how could you resist this??

But working within the framework of the universe of "The Mentalist", Lisbon raises my eyebrows. This has mostly happened because of the last couple episodes of season 5.

The Broken Arm/Wrist - I'm not motivated enough to find out whether or not Robin Tunney broke her arm/wrist in real life, but I think it's safe to say that they wouldn't have made a point of pointing it out, and have Lisbon brush it off really quick unless it was going to tie into the plot of the show. So, this casts suspicion on Lisbon for SOMTEHING. No, not necessarily Red John, but you'd think that she would have explained herself it was innocent. Presumably Jane knows when she is lying, so perhaps he saw some falsehood and really felt like he shouldn't press the issue. Perhaps Jane is suspicious of her.

Lisbon's Continued Survival - Red John has already shown he has no problem murdering the people Jane holds most closely. He's killed Jane's family, and his "happy memory". It's obvious that Jane has special feelings for Lisbon (whatever they may be), so why not take Jane down another peg and remove his only friend?

No theory is air-tight. In writing the above 2 points, I am already thinking of a bunch of counter points which should discount Lisbon as RJ. But that's the whole thing--we're not supposed to know! Maybe even Bruno Heller doesn't know yet! haha. Every plausible theory has a plausible counter theory. That's what makes this a good show, guys - we're kept in suspense and drawn into the drama!

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Theory #3662 • By lizzy
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I think  RJ is rich and he can know people's secrect ,which is why he can control. And  RJ is Passion and calm.

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The only reason I think it could be Lisbon, is the last 2 killings. The faces in both were very different from the previous ones. The faces are usually cleanly drawn, in one stroke. The last 2 were shabby, to say the least, and with multiple strokes. Which is what would happen if the killer had an injured hand (season 5 finale). I don't see any other reason for the injury being shown in the episode, as it had no other consequence.

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