Is it at all possible that Brett Partridge is Red John, and still be dead? Like, someone else looking for revenge got to him first?
Is it at all possible that Brett Partridge is Red John, and still be dead? Like, someone else looking for revenge got to him first?
Red John is a fan of women with red hair, a fact made very clear from the beginning . Van pelt has red hair and all the 7 (6?) suspects have had contact with her. For continuity and realism it would be safe to say that Red John would pay her at least a little bit of attention.
Sheriff McAlister is the only suspect on that list i remember paying her some attention.
Also did anyone notice that the sheriff insisted that PJ call him by his first name? something red john likes to do i.e always calls PJ by his first name.
Im not convinced he is red john though as evidence seems to be been pushed down our throats in the last 2 episodes.
I believe Red John is Ray Haffner on multiple cases. First Haffner appears in the episode the Little Red Book which happens right after Jane gets out of jail from killing Timothy Carter (Red John Imposter) making Jane a little distressed and hurting his focus. The episode placement is perfect since everyone thought Jane killed Red John but since he did not people will think that Red John will not be seen for several more episodes except they slip in Haffner who the audience is not concerned about since Red John is not dead. Also Haffner fits the description of Red John and falls into Jane's trap in the Little Red Book episode making himself look weak compared to Jane. Another reason why Haffner is Red John is because he likes Lisbon which explains why Lisbon was not harmed when Red John took her. Haffner is also known to be a good wiretapper and surveillance expert which shows how Red John is always in Jane's head while Jane is more person to person and lacking in technological skills. Haffner could also be Red John since in Black Winged Redbird the person who visited Sophie Miller ( Jane's psychiatrist) was named Jay Roth. If you changed the J to an R it would be Ray Roth or Red Ray since Roth means red. In addition to everything Haffner has appeared in episodes only with the word Red in the title and is a Former FBI Agent and CBI Supervisory Specialist and currently a private detective and member of Visualize showing that he has strong connections with all of the agencies.
There are
many good observations about why Lisbon
is RJ. Many are relevant I’m sure, many are not, and many are surely placed in
the script to confuse and mean nothing.
I’m just
going to focus on the last two episodes (1 and 2 of season 6) and point out why
I think that Jane is almost sure Lisbon IS Red John.
His actions
on these two episodes are all a result of his certainty that Lisbon is Red John:
1) It’s
very unlike that RJ really got Jane’s list right! That would be like guessing 7
persons out of a list of over thousand! But Jane acts like he freaked out by
the fact, says that is a trick by RJ but doesn’t tell Lisbon what he means. From now on Jane will
be telling Lisbon
he is in control, but acts like he is not!
2) The
Case of episode 1: OK, Jane knew the guy buried the ring in the garden. So why
arm him instead of just getting the team to search the garden? He wants to mesh
up. Of course getting the cop shut was not part of his plan, but there is
Bertram sending them away, together and alone!
3) While
on the case, Jane gets both of him and Lisbon
at a dinner, doing nothing else but chatting with the locals it seams! Lisbon starts to loose patience.
She is Red John and said he starts killing again and often, but there she is
locked up in the middle of nowhere. Also they go off to the football guy case
right after she found out she actually guessed the list right. She needs time
alone to get her plans going, but there she is with Jane in the middle of nowhere!
4) After
Jane gets mad at Lisbon for telling about the
list to the team, Lisbon
leaves them in anger. Jane tells her she
will get trapped by RJ but she says she is not that naïve! A couple of hours
later she enters an abandoned house with
no backup to save one of the 7 suspects, from whom, probably from RJ, the most dangerous
man in California! OK she knows RJ would not be in there because she is RJ. But
her accomplice Partritge is in there in distress and she doesn’t know why. She
has to find out. If she is not RJ, well she’s acting rather naïve.
5) So
if not RJ, then who is responsible for what happened at the abandoned house and
why to do this? It is Kirkland
for sure! He kills RJ’s accomplice and mocks RJ by copying him. It’s the one
thing RJ hates most! Kirkland
is after RJ for personal reasons, but doesn’t know who RJ is. He’s trying to
make RJ come out and play. I don’t think that Jane has ever told Lisbon that probably Kirkland
killed the man in the hospital who knew who RJ is. Why? Because Jane knows that
Kirkland is
probably the young and only survivor from the basement of the red barn, and he is
after RJ, to just kill him! So you don’t reveal Kirkland’s identity to RJ!
6)
So
Jane’s actions in episode 1 are about trying to not letting Lisbon space to move, because she promised to
start killing again.
7) Episode
2! RJ having nightmares with many RJs killing her team! No it’s rather RJ
having nightmares with many copycats killing her team. Simple.
8) While
in bed in hospital RJ makes Jane seek out his doctor, a happy memory!
9) Ok
the meeting in Bertram’s office! When list was announced I’m sure most of us
said McAllister who, or Smith who? The only reason the two of them are in the
list is to misdirect. These three are up to something that has nothing to do
with the case. RJ knew that and the fact they have to meet and so put
McAllister and Smith in the list. Ooh… conspiracy. Well not quite.
10)
So
does Haffner make Lisbon
nervous? Of course! Someone is out to get RJ and RJ doesn’t know who or what
for! RJ not being in control and knowing what is going on? Yes that makes him
nervous. His hunter could be anyone.
11)
Lastly,
Lisbon or
Partridge is afraid of heights. Although I don’t know why would Sophie call Lisbon a he. Anyway, in
heights like rooftops you often find pigeons, and this is the clue from the
last sequence of episode one.
So why isn’t
Jane taking any real action against Lisbon.
We know for sure that he would kill Red John on sight. But past events make him
want to be 100% sure before killing him, and at this point he can’t be 100% that
it is Lisbon. Also
he can’t ask anyone for help in finding out. She is the most loved one by all!
Bruno Heller has stated previously that names are very important to the show.
Below I present more proof that Brett Partridge is Red John.
Using an English to Scottish dictionary, 'partridge' translates to 'patrick'. This along with the Jane/John name contrast seems to be an intrinsic effort to link the antagonist and protagonist of the show.
Since RJ and PJ have been said to have similar skill sets, personalities, etc. (leaning some to falsely believe they are the same person), I believe the show's story arc will culminate with PJ having to choose vengeance via murder of RJ, in essence forcing him to align himself with RJ's dark ideology, or allowing justice to prevail, thus providing the ultimate contrast in two otherwise very similar individuals.
The many characters with sketchy backgrounds, anagram names, etc. are deliberate efforts by the writers to confuse and obscure the basic truth that RJ has been in plain view all along.
The theory presented by others regarding deliberate efforts of agent Kirkland and the others on PJ's list to destroy and obscure evidence is spot on. I believe RJ (Partridge) is not as skillful as he would like us to think and that he relies on the *reluctant* protection of others.
At some point in his younger days as a member of Visualize, RJ had access to the secret records that they keep on members. He then used this information to hand-pick powerful people from law enforcement that would *have* to assist him or risk him divulging their dirty laundry. Bret Stiles knows Red John's identity and is powerless to stop him because all the 'Dirt' Red John has from Visualizes files would destroy Bret's church if it was made public.
I believe Bret Stiles has all the power and influence he wants, he is head of a church after all! Why would he threaten that by running around as a serial killer? Bret has what he wants. RJ is someone who struggles for self worth and validation through the fear he imparts in others....in other words, a person who feels overlooked by his peers. (Sound like Partridge yet?) Red John hates women for some personal reason, hence the ritualized killings and he savors the power he can exert over men whom appear much more powerful then him in 'real life' via his leverage over them through Visualize. Everybody can agree that RJ gets some kind of thrill out of the killings. What's not quite so obvious is that he really enjoys the power he has over law enforcement during the cover-ups.
Lisbon is somehow involved in accidentally feeding info to RJ. The last few episodes show that PJ has picked up on this and is turning the tables by feeding false information through her. Has anyone picked up on how PJ whispers 'I'm sorry' to Lorelei's corpse and then says to Lisbon 'She had it coming'? He truly felt bad for Lorelei, but wanted a different message to get back to RJ. I don't think Lisbon is in with RJ but she may be inadvertently telling the wrong people (her boss Bertram, with Kirkland hiding behind a door, for instance) information sensitive to the investigation. She still seems to genuinely care for PJ, her job and humanity in general, so I'm hoping the leaks are accidental. This is how I believe RJ is always manages to stay 'one step ahead'.
Red John's name comes from the author of last book of the Bible. The Book of Revelations was written by JOHN of Patmos.
William Blake created a whole series of paintings based upon Revelations including the Red Dragon. In the bible, the Red Dragon has 7 heads, one which is mortally wounded and resurrected (Brett Partridge). In the Revelations, the The Dragon 'engages to persecute the Woman, but she is given aid to evade him. Her evasiveness enrages the Dragon, prompting him to wage war against the rest of her offspring. (12:13-17)'
So the Red John killings are a ritualization of the above act with Red John acting as the Dragon (note the resemblance of the linoleum knife he uses to a dragon or tyger claw) The Women is represented by the victim who is ritually tortured and the red smiley face is the face of the Baby from revelations, which represents Christ and his followers.
Further subtle religious allusion is occasionally presented by brief camera shots of the cross Lisbon wears around her neck.
The Blake Tyger poem in summation describes how good and evil in this world all originate from the Creator and without one, the other cannot exist. Blake's work is important to e story because it provides a bridge between religion (faith) and the occult. Both themes are explored in The Mentalist. It's always the female characters whom engage Jane in these discussions of faith and mysticism. Coincidence?
So in a nutshell, Red John is a 'Sad Little Man' who deals with his dark past by imagining himself to be the Devil (Dragon). He deals with his deep-seated women (mommy) issues by slaying them in ritualized killings and gets away with it by using the hijacked secrets of powerful men to leverage control.
It needs to be pointed out that these collaborative Red John theories simply don't work. Yes, he clearly has disciples, but that does not mean that RJ is actually a group of people working together. If that were the case, Jane's whole list falls instantly to pieces. Why? Because he has narrowed down who RJ is based upon what SINGLE person could have been at all the locations at one time. If RJ was in fact 2+ people on the list then Jane's reasoning instantly falls apart - if one does one crime, then another does the next, then Jane's approach of working out who could have been at each crime scene fails.
In other words, if you want to argue that RJ is a composite of various people, Jane's list becomes entirely redundant. RJ needn't be only people on the list, and probably wouldn't be on the list at all.
Soooo... Either RJ is ONE person on the list (but possibly with disciples who are on the list but who did not commit any of his 'official' murders for him), or else we disregard the list entirely if we want to hold onto a composite RJ theory.
Personally, I think it is clear that RJ is one of the people on the list. So let's get cracking on working out which one!
Carmen lee is a Chinese actor known for her portrayal of Xiaolongnü in the novel movie adaptation the character is the female protagonist of the novel and she was born in the year of the dragon and her name literally means little dragon maiden just wanted to clear things up about her though I still don't see a connection between her and Lisbon but undoubtedly when red john is revealed will be kicking ourselves that we didn't use such hints to find out