Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Hi all,
Like most of you I was also convinced that Brett Patridge is Red John. But now that he is dead as confirmed by Bruno Hellor, I checked all 7 suspects again and finally came up with one name - Ray Haffner. My theory is as follows.

1. We have seen that Red John is technically sound as he has hacked into CBI firewall many times. Also, he is very good with surveillance techniques as seen in Episode 1x23. 
The same goes for Ray Haffner as seen in Episode 4x02 in which Lisbon describes Haffner's strength as surveillance techniques. Also, being a member of Visualize Ray Haffner is probably connected to some of the big guns of the state as well.

2. A key point which I over looked first time was that In Episode 4x02, Ray Haffner holds his tea cup in left hand while talking to Grace Van Pelt. In the very same season's Episode 4x13, we seen that 
Red John also holds tea cup with his left hand. Coincidence???

3. Rosalinh Harker's description of Red John matches exactly like Ray Haffner's. The only difference is the voice which has thrown off most of us. But I think Haffner somehow changes his voice with some devices or gadget, I guess. And this makes complete sense. Would an incredibly careful and clever killer like Red John flaunt his actual voice ???

4. Red John somehow managed to hypnotize Kristina Frye after he captured her. He made her believe that she had died and turned into a spirit.
We know that Ray Haffner was a member of Visualize . I assume that he learned hypnotizing from there.

5. One of the biggest clues about Red John that we found in Episode 6x01 is that he addresses Agent Lisbon as "Teresa". He uses her first name as if he is Lisbon's friend. 
Among all the 7 Red John suspects, Ray Haffner is the only person who calls Agent Lisbon as "Teresa".

6. A big question arises in the climax of Episode 6x01. Why did Red John spare Lisbon's life. Patrick Jane feels that Red John got spooked somehow or there was lack of time. It may be true. 
But another possibility is that Red John has feelings for Lisbon. 
Ray Haffner also expresses his feelings for Lisbon in the very next episode (6x02). He says he likes Lisbon and hopes to have a future with her. 

7. And finally we come to know about a habit of Ray Haffner which makes him a very favorable Red John suspect. Sophie miller's notes says Red John is a good whistle blower. And so is Ray Haffner as he whistles in the hospital after meeting Lisbon.

8. Now the biggest clue of them all. Remember Lorelei reads out the list of suspects at the end of season 5. While she reads out the names, she takes a long pause before saying Raymond Haffner. I assume that Lorelei was surprised that the actual name of Red John is in the list.

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if red john is really on this list and not somewhere else then he's definitely not a 1 person

because the description fits them all and the red john we going to see in patrick's hand before the end of 2013 is just one of the 6/7 

or they all work for redjohn the 7' of them

i believe the whistle thing is just a distraction 


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Theory #5446 • By dleon
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Hi everyone

I submitted a theory yesterday that my suspect is still Patrick's father. 

I read a lot of theories where people accuse various guys because they fit the profile. When taking into consideration who you believe Red John is, always remember to also look at this from a writing point of view.  Bruno Hellar said that the rest of the season and the next will be about the chase. That means Red John will be revealed, but he will now be on the run from Jane and the CBI.

When you look at it that way, it already kind of excludes Bertram to me. Having the chief of the CBI on the run all of a sudden will not be a very believable story. 

In my opinion, from a writing point of view, it will be hard to tie certain suspects to Patrick Jane's past if they are revealed to be Red John. Like Haffner, Reede, McAllister. What would their connection to Jane be? 

We need to think who will be in the reveal shot painting those faces on the wall or gutting the victims or standing in the shadows looking down at Patrick or Lisbon. It will need to make us say "Oh yeah I remember now!" and if that was someone like McAllister it would just be very weak and disappointing and people would lose interest in the show.

Red John will be someone that draws us into the show until it's end. Not some random character that showed up in the fourth, fifth or sixth season. He was there from the start.

From the 7 suspects, this leaves Partridge, Stiles and long shot (at least for me) Bertram. Yes, I include Partridge, just like Jane included that dead doctor in his list once. I believe that may have been a clue not to dismiss those you think may be dead. 

Off the list, I still think a reveal that Patrick's father is Red John would be epic. From a story point of view, they could argue that Partridge (or one of the other suspects) was his prodigy after Jane. They could revisit the time he spent in Visualize and show him going after Brett Stiles. He could even have a past with Bertram. Maybe also the guy that Jane shot in season 3 thinking it was Red John.

We need to think past the road the writers are leading us down, and look at the mystery from a continuity point of view. Viewers' interest in the show must be maintained after the mystery is solved.

P.S. Did anyone else hear that one of Patrick's doctors once off patients was Washburn/Mashburn? Listen to the phone call with Rigsby again, I couldn't make out if it's an M or W.

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No Accusation here but a few interesting points:
Does anyone else find all this pigeon talk weird?
-First of all the pigeons when Lisbon enters the abandoned house
-Possibly the use of pigeon blood on lisbon's face. By Jane wiping the blood off Lisbon's face he is either cleaning lisbon (for some weird reason) or he is getting a blood sample allowing him to determine if it is Partridge's blood or a pigeons meaning at this point he will know if Partridge is alive. Although i dont see why he wouldnt just look at the body.
-The pigeon feeding at the park in the latest episode is very suspicious.
-Maybe Jane staring at the pigeons is a way Heller is giving the audience a clue about the blood on Lisbons face.(My opinion most likely)

Another point i find weird is the way Reede Smith asked "how much does he know?" referring to Patrick on the Red John case. I think it would be pretty dumb if Smith, the Sherrif and Bertram actually are Red Herrings as it seems really dumb for them holding meetings and such at the CBI. Seems incredibly done for someone working under RJ.

Very excited for the next episode now :)

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It's all of them.  They are in league with each other.  One of them initiated it, perhaps Stiles or an unknown force, but each one is guilty of some of Red John's crimes.  Each of the final suspects show us different traits of Red John.  Bertram is narcissistic, Kirkland is a weirdo methodical boss man, Haffner is a charming psychopath, Reede Smith is just barely kept within his limits, Stiles has a mastermind ego, and Thomas is personable.  Each one is partially Red John, but all of them together are in league committing the murders.  It started with Haffner and Stiles at Visualize and the group expanded and began indoctrinating people.  Stiles has told us he knows more than Jane could imagine, and Bertram made an undeniable William Blake reference.  Haffner is Visualize, etc.  They work together.  It's the violent, bloody side of Visualize that has influence over the law due to roots in CBI and Homeland Security.  All of them are responsible together.  It would also explain the conversations that the suspects have together in Bertram's office several times.  

It sucks.  I really wanted it to be Manelli.  

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Well, i will not argue too much, this puzzle is a bit messy with false leads...

But IMO, if i were the author i will put RJ in the Pilot. Its like look bastards, you don't catch but he was there from the first episode.

That guy is Brett Partridge he was on first episode...He is not dead at all, its fake, we dind't see the body...
Who is dead is Partridge, but RJ is still awake, inside him.

And always is the forensics experts (like Dexter)... Its the only one, who can cover his tracks.

I betting on him from the beggining, is not now that i will give up.

Brett Partridge is Red John!

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I think it's CBI RON
I mainly base this accusation according to 2 points:

1-The best way to hide something sometime is to put it in plain sight. so you look over and over around     it but you can't see it because it is not focused on but if you get yourself out of the picture and view it       from other angle you will see it.

2-He is there almost every episode like waldo but you have to look for him and watch his subtle moves     and behavior with other people especially red john disciples.

n.b., the internet sources says he appear on the series starting in episode 17 of second season "the       red box" and this is wrong, they started credit him since this episode but he was first seen in episode 7   of the first season "SEEING RED" and many following episodes but was not credited.

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