Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister Reede Smith
Reede Smith Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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In Season 1 Episode 23 , Rosalind Harker wrote RJ a letter saying she found this address on a buisness card down the back of the sofa, how could she do that if she is blind? You may say RJ planted the letter and Rosaling knew nothing about it, but Jane said to her "in the letter you wrote him you said he was cruel to you" and she acted as if she knew about the letter. So either Bruno Heller messed this scene up on accident(highly unlikely) or Harker is not being truthful about RJ's identity. Harker said Roy smoked alot, none of the suspects have been seen smoking if i am not mistaken? But dumar, the cop who brought the elephant, matches the description she gave of Roy, so maybe she never met RJ and only Dumar? Or perhaps she is lying about everything.

Also is Strawberries and Cream pt 2, how did Timothy Carter know that Jane and Bertram would be in the mall? Jane would of told Bertram in the car where they are going, so maybe he sent a text out the Timothy? Also after Jane had the meeting with Bertram, Bertram picked up the phone and the scene changed so we didnt see what he said, maybe he rang carter, told him to park outside the CBI, and follow Jane's car when he leaves with bertram? If this is what happened , RJ is Bertram.

But i doubt this for some reason, and none of the suspects really stick out to me as RJ , so i dont have a suspect for RJ.

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pigeon  [Pi]-John 3,14 JOHN

1 JOHN 3,14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

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Theory #5534 • By utkan
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All the main suspects are Red John.'Red John' is the name of a serial killer order, cult you name it.

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I think the only way to solve this
is to eliminate the suspects one after the other. I did this for every suspect
I could think of but I will present here only the arguments concerning our
glorious Seven.
1) Brett Patridge - He is dead and
therefore not guilty.
2) Reede Smith - He doesn't fit the
description of Red John (not muscular, but not soft either) and the actor is
too tall.
3) Gale Betram - He is balding. I
think a lover would have noticed that and not told us that he has short,
straight hair.
 4) Robert Kirkland - He got the
information on Janes research after RJ killed Lorelei and before Jane narrowed
it down to the seven suspects. So, why bother if he is RJ?
5) Bret Stiles - He was my favorite
choice for RJ but things really do not add up. A) He is clever enough to kill
and get away with it. Why have another identity to kill? B) He has a vast network
through Visualize. Why go to the trouble to have another? C) He is too old. D)
He would not have needed Jane to flush out his potential enemies in Visualize.
He could have done it through his RJ personality much more easy. The Verdict:
Guilty, very guilty even, but he is not guilty of being RJ. But he might have
been the inspiration for the guy that ultimately became RJ.
6) Thomas McAllister - This was a
hard one. He fits the description, he is law enforcement. But is he mobile
enough? I'm no American, so I really don't know about this, but I think he
would have been in a lot of trouble hiding his second life to his people (Have
a look at Dexter and you see in how much trouble he is when he kills not in his
own arena). Then of course there was this episode back in season 2 where
Rebecca killed Boscos Team. Before she was poisoned, she saw who was coming
towards her and smiled. I think she saw RJ. So, we need someone who can just be
in the CBI offices for a while without being looked upon in a suspicious
manner. This clearly rules out Bret Stiles but I think it also rules out
McAllister. He could not have been standing by in the CBI office every time he
might have been needed. Therefore RJ is either CBI or FBI or Homeland or even
Forensics but not the boss of the sheriff's office of Napa County.
7) This leaves Ray Haffner. I don't
want him to be RJ. He seemed to be an idiot. Jane had no problem to get him
reassigned when he wanted Lisbon back. Haffner also seemed not to be too
competent. But here is the thing: RJ operated for all these years without being
identified. So yes, he is should be prepared to look stupid in his official
capacity to keep his RJ identity safe. In retribution he kills anybody who
messes with RJ …

In any other way he just fits what we
know about RJ. So, unless I see some really good arguments, Ray is RJ for me.

Please note: I did not include any
traits that were shown when anybody else was watching. Haffner's attitude could
be show and him being a Visualize member does not make him guilty. It might
only explain where he learned some of the stuff he relied on as Red John. When
Bertram let Jane teach him Poker that might have been a clever trick to make Jane
believe he would need it. Of course Bret Stiles shows all the traits RJ has, but
this is no proof that he is RJ. Kirkland might have had some reasons to kill
that man in the hospital and some other reason to keep an eye on Jane. And
don't forget: Every of our suspects might be a RJ operative. So every evil deed
might have been just a chore for them.





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If you watch the newest episodes one thing becomes clear: the list of 7 suspects does not contain Red John. All 7 suspects are loyal to Red John and are pressuring Jane one by one so that he becomes more paranoid, just as Red John wants. Therefore, he is able to keep tabs on Jane's actions and reactions through these suspects and it is why he knew that Jane would end up with those 7 names because he planned it.I also believe that we have not yet met Red John; he is someone that Jane does know but we do not. It is possible that Red John is in fact someone from Jane's earlier years and thus we don't know that person yet.Finally, I think that all of Red John's previous victims were just ways for him to gain the interest of the police and hire Jane. I think that Red John was targeting Jane all along and simply using victims to gain fame and be known; therefore, once he had Jane's interest he began to toy with him and play him.

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Something doesn't make sense with the death of Partridge. A call comes to Lisbon, saying someone is in distress. She sees that Partridge is there, goes there and when she gets there he is still alive. He dies after saying two words. Then, RJ puts Lisbon out and doesn't kill her. Questions are:

1- Why did RJ need to kill Partridge? 
2- Why was he still alive when Lisbon get there? 
3- What was the point of luring Lisbon into a trap if she wasnt gonna get killed? What did RJ accomplish here? 

 Since I don't want Partridge being dead, I'd like to think that Partridge himself set the trap to remove suspicion on him. The best way of doing that is faking his death.

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