Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister Reede Smith
Reede Smith Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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First off let me say that I believe that Jane kills Red John. I think this Q & A in a Bruno Heller interview expresses that very clearly ...

Two regulars, Amanda Righetti and Owain Yeoman, are leaving at the end of this season. How has that affected the season and how are you wrapping up Van Pelt and Rigsby's arc?

"It's more the other way around. Even when we capture Red John or kill Red John, it brings down the walls of the CBI to a degree. You can't go around murdering people just because you have a vigilante desire to do so, so it means Jane is in a very difficult position and the rest of the team are in a very difficult position at that point."

Having read that I also think (based on other responses) that Bruno Heller is slightly defensive about the Red John reveal and talks about the show carrying on without Red John which to me means Red John is either an inconsequential character or the story line is much different than we all think and could be seen as silly or anticlimactic.

What I cannot wrap my head around is ...

1. CLEARLY no one on the list of seven is Red John be it for reasons of weight or age or death or whatever. Let's be honest Jane knows for certain that the person walking in this video @ 0:26 is not Reede Smith and Patrick knows that ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKZvmwU1ufg-not to mention the 6x04 30 second preview http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/10/the-mentalist-episode-604-red-listed_9712.html ... which clearly states the list is fake

2. This is 100% Patrick Jane's voice ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik4c1OZyomM ...If you skip to 1:18 in the video and just listen to "It's a higher path PATRICK" the grovel in his voice is identical to Jane's. Same frequency, same pitch, same everything. It's the one time where Red John sounds exactly like Patrick Jane. 

So while I believe Patrick kills Red John and the show carries on (which I would enjoy) with a "much more joyous character" as Bruno Heller puts it and a "weight has been lifted" with Lisbon and Jane exploring feelings for each other I also believe that Red John's voice is Simon Baker's voice so I am actually completely confused and that's probably exactly how Bruno Heller wants it

There are not a whole lot of people on the show whom walk like Red John, can talk like Red John & have a slender frame like Red John. I think talk = Jane or his non existent twin brother ... frame and walk = Rigsby ... 







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I'm still quite curious as to what was meant by "He Is mar" written in blood on the bathroom wall.. 
http://www.google.com/search?q=he+is+mar&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=...

'He IS mar' .. Hm,well,I don't know about you, but the only thing that comes to my mind is 'He is many'

What else could have been meant?? he is married? he is marked? he is manipulated? 
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It IS a possibility that red john is a cult-like organization / red john isn't one individual - of course that wouldn't be the most exciting outcome, but nevertheless it's always a possibility one can't be so quick to rule out. 

The next obvious question is who created this cult with so many dedicated(brainwashed) followers? where / when did it all start? Someone has to be the head honcho, right? 

I haven't the slightest clue who red john might be! And I kind of like it that way ;)
I like not knowing who it is(at the moment). It's really exciting.
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I hope finding out who or what red john is makes all our jaws drop! 


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Theory #6047 • By Sherlock-Hill
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I am still surprise some people are still suspecting Mcallister. A recent video was posted stating that the homeland security has been spying on jane for 9 years. Clearly the hints such as whistling was part of deception which made us believe that MCallister is Red John. Kirkland ends up torturing Patrick Jane in a future episode.

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My bet is Thomas Macallister; he is a sheriff, he moves in the country, he has a lot of freedom to do what he wants. He has no living family.  His blood lust can be easily seen: as well as his primitive strength necessary to be red john. What it is not evident its his intelligence (but as Jane recognizes, he looks more dumb than what really is).  He is an old fox knows how to move without being seen (see Van Pelt season 1 episode 2), he needs to be in total control of the environment around him in order to reveal himself(he admires Bach rigor in music). Brett Stiles knows him as it should be since they have similar ages(probably they were kind of buddies at the Ellison farm).

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I have been watching this show from the beginning, always had a sneaking suspision that Brett Stiles has something to do with the RJ case...possibily orchestrating others. RJ does not work alone "he has many friends". There is a duality I haven't noticed anyone on the forums state related to tyger, tyger...could BRETT partridge and BRETT stiles play into that duality...father/son, who knows. I have always though brett and patrick were the only truly charismatic characters on the show so the solution involved them somehow...the other characters are simply too boring, mundane, some obsese (smith), not wealthy enough etc..and most just do not have the AURA or personal characteristics of someone who would be orchestrating this whole big ploy against patrick. I do think there is some connection to Vanpelt and Krystina Frey - the red hair and creeply calm demenours (not to mention open/intiutive characteristics) are no concidence. Overall though these are just pipe dreams/ideas/feelings I've had since the beginning but one thing I really believe is that we, the audience, are being mislead constantly by the producer and characters on the show who give us outright ' clues' about RJ...very few of which I think will prove accurate (red herrings). I think there has been a lot of deception about the real RJ from these sources, so be careful what you buy into and believe. I think the moral/main idea once this (amazing!) show has ended will be the importance of going with your gut, even when others are telling you different facts. Intuition is a big theme in this show so I am on edge waiting to see how this plays out for the final finale...what is the morale for the audience here?! I would love to ask Patrick Jane right NOW on gut reaction who he believes RJ is. I believe he knows in his gut but is unable to prove it. Don't fall for the red herrings, go with your gut. Brett Stiles is involved!

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its simple. look at the seven suspects, and look at the facts, he is a mid age man, there for we eliminate the old ones, and we have ...kirkland , hafftner, smith and partdidge, the last one is dead so we have 3, red john does have a firm body but not very muscle, so smith is out for being fat, we have 2..Kirkland kills Jason Lennon by injecting him with an empty syringe,
causing an air embolus which stopped his heart. He asked Lennon if he
recognized him. Lennon said NOOO. And Kirkland said he was giving him a
peaceful death, lennon knew red john and he never gives peaceful death to nobody.
now we just have one, the one and only RAY HAFFNER

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Wow!  I can't believe no one wrote about this yet!  It's not a theory but it's VERY OMINOUS!!!!  TWICE  Van Pelt and Rigsby mentioned how the rules were lifted about inner office fraternizing.  Sounds great, right?  Yes!  Now they can date.  They can get married.  They can even keep their beloved jobs at the CBI.   Oh wait.....  no.  They are leaving very soon.  Something tells me they will not be driving off into the sunset.

If I recall  ... spoilers said that that Van Pelt and Rigsbys departure would have some form of impact on the RJ case.  Who knows, maybe Grace has been under Bret Styles hypnotic/ transference since that day she met him and has been an unsuspecting mole all along.  Maybe that Kubrick smiley thing on their Just Married sign wasn't too far off the mark.

One thing is for sure... there was NO reason to have the CBI lift the fraternizing policy right at this time only to have them marry  ....then leave.  Whats the point?

Btw...I love how more and more people are seeming to accept the Mashburn theory.  Welcome!


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