The latest theories about Red John's identity (page 564)

first of all, theres a tigertiger organisation going on which makes it very hard to define who is red john and who is just a member(might be both, since rj would be perfectly cloaked)

second thing that comes to my mind, WHY did redjohn kill brett partridge?

2 possibilities imo:

. he was part of his cult and was a weak part(HOWEVER why would he know redjohn personally?)
. he isnt really dead...what a way to get removed from the list(very tricky but genious)

what makes me think of option 2 is: we never did see the dead body...lisbon got attacked from behind when she turned her back to pj(s6.1)...and again WHY would they kill him in episode1, since not even jane could see if he tells the truth by starring at him("either he tells the truth or he is a very good actor-which red john should be)

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Theory #6509 • By orginal-thoughts

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ray haffner is the red john suspect because he killed angela ruskin and charlotte anderson and ray hafner is red john with a red smiley face and patrick jane is getting closer to arrest ray haffner
as red john i watch the mentalist from time to time and we are getting closer and closer
to nailing red john and ray haffner has killed man people patrick jane met and bob kirkland is the killer and he 's the one that killed patrick jane's wife and daughter and he's left the bloody smiley face as a trademark it's time to wipe that smile off of ray haffner's face aka red john and i think ray haffner is the killer and manipultaed loralee martins and he's red john and patrick jane is getting closer to getting the CBI TO nail red john ray haffner as the murder supsect it's time to nail ray haffner he's hiding behind red john and it's time for red john to surrender and be revealed as red john it's ray haffner let's arrest him and lock him up in jail permantly to bring closure it got new elements it's probally ray haffner.

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I didn't look through the whole list to see if this has been put forth yet, but could Red John be a cabal of several of the remaining suspects? After this latest episode, I am very confused about the clique in law enforcement and whether they are complicit with Red John or combatting Red John.

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I have to say that for right now all my chips are in with Ray Haffner, for several reasons.

1. He is played just creepy enough, but not outwardly repulsive like Kirkland is (was?) by the wonderfully eerie Reed Diamond. He couldn't have as many followers as he does without some level of charm.
2. RJ has to have some kind of "in" at the CBI. After all he was able to get to Rebecca both to recruit her and to kill her/have her killed. Also, it may explain how RJ knew about the bugs placed on the phones which he used to lure Lisbon to Partridge's demise.
3. We know RJ has some tie to Vizualize, the scientology-like cult, headed by Bret Stiles. It's too obvious to have Bret be the bad guy, besides he doesn't fit any of the descriptions of RJ himself. We know that Haffner is a current member, and we also know that Bret knew where Kristina Frye was being kept. Either Bret knew because he was doing it, or he knows because members of visualize tape their confessions and Stiles has access to this information. [Also, unexplained is how Van Pelt is tied to Visualize . . . she had a rather intense encounter with Stiles so I wonder what happened to that storyline].
4. Haffner has a rather intense affection for Lisbon which may explain why he didn't kill her.
5. He fits what we know about RJ "just under six feet tall, with short, straight hair, not muscular but not soft, with strong hands" - Rosalind Harker. Reed Diamond is a little over 6 feet but I don't think that's particularly problematic. And what poor Sophie tells us "he seems to have a case of acrophobia, and/or other phobias, is middle
aged, in good health, has no family, but many friends, is a great
speaker, has good posture, is an excellent whistler, possesses hints of
narcissism, and seems to be harboring something dark within himself"

The voice: I don't find the voice particularly problematic . . . I don't understand why someone couldn't disguise their voice or, in RJ's case have one of his minions do the dirty work. We can't really say at any rate that any of the RJ sightings -- Harker, when RJ "rescues" Jane, or when RJ ostensibly visits Sophie, are actually him and not a disciple. So who's to say he's not just a mastermind with others to be his public face?

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OMGGGG this redlisted was awesome and answers a shit ton of quetions we all have i will no spoil it for anyone on here by saying what happens cause i would flip shit if someone did it for me but here is the link if anyone wants to watch it before it airs

http://allmyvideos.net/sosfsxnlxd7u

Your welcome

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Theory #6536 • By RayK

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Hi all -- perhaps someone can help me out with this...

You know how one poster said Red John said "ThereZa can't speak right now" and pronounced the "s" as a "z"?

Well, I shared this little tidbit with Mrs_Obvious and she says she thinks that's how Bertram says Theresa's name.

Bertram? That lame-o? Well anything's possible -- what do you think, is that how he says her name?

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WE HAVE BEEN SEDUCED INTO THINKING THAT RJ IS SOMEONE WITH THE WORLD AT HIS FINGERTIPS.

It would be an easy MISTAKE:

to confuse that RJ seeks power --- with thinking that RJ is someone in a position of power

It's easy to imagine RJ as a cult leader, rich playboy, CBI insider, etc. -- BUT the truth about killers like RJ is that they are often unremarkable and overlooked, and subsequently in deep need of power. Remember SJK Killer? A total nerd, seemingly harmless and pretending to help out. And real life BTK? He didn't fit the image at all. THAT'S the paradox. They want power but they are NOT going to look like they have any.

THIS OMITS everyone on the List of 7 Suspects [that was fake anyway], as well as any other obviously powerful or arrogant person that Jane has come into contact with.

A good question to ask: WHO DOESN'T HOLD an obvious powerful position, who has been dismissed or overlooked by CBI [though not entirely discounted] -- and who we've seen to be both forgettable AND yet someone who needs to be heard?

ELL[HE]--IS--MARS

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