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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Regarding the 7 suspects, I feel we know far less than we have been led to believe and think we know.  I have always had major problems imagining any of the 7 as RJ--none of them is a credible RJ!  I also continue to have problems believing J would so easily reveal his true list to anyone.  If J really believed knowing the list would put someone in danger, I think he never would have told Lisbon regardless what she wanted.  J could not survive another murder equivalent to the murder of his family.  --By now, he has known Lisbon and the others nearly as long as he was married to Angela.  Further, the CBI team has saved each others' lives--not just your ordinary workplace relationships!  So, Mr. Heller has his work cut out for him if RJ will be one of the 7 suspects revealed at the end of S5/S6E1.

Further, the method by which J came up with the 7 final names seems both fallible and very atypical for him--a brute-force approach.  The whole thing hinges on Lorelei's statement, "It's a wonder the two of you didn't become lifelong friends the moment you shook hands!"  That was the basis for the 3 criteria stated in the episodes:

#1.  J and RJ shook hands
#2.  They shook hands AFTER J's family was murdered
#3.  RJ must be someone who could have been at all of the RJ murders

Re. #1:  This directly hinges on the truthfulness of Lorelei's statement.  (I think) J made the point that Lorelei said it in a heated conversation rather than a calm, thoughtful moment.  It seems reasonable the statement is true.  But note how LITTLE it actually excludes.  J and RJ could have become friends later.  J and RJ could have shaken hands many times.  They could have shaken hands at any time--before the murder of J's family, or, indeed, before RJ became RJ (started murdering!).

Re. #2:  Assuming J shook hands with RJ AFTER J's family was murdered is plausible, but not necessary logically.  This opens up the possibility of the J-RJ connection extending back to J's early days.  The person who became RJ could have known and disliked J before J's family was murdered.  J's TV comments then could have triggered the murder of his family.  Or, someone like Sean Barlow could have had a grudge against Alex Jane and taken revenge by attacking J and his family.  (Remember Judge Dellinger's point:  "If you want to hurt a man, don't kill him.  Kill his family.")  A Sean Barlow could easily have predicted that, as a psychic, J would work with police and comment on notorious murderers for the credibility and free publicity.  Either the murderer might attack J or his family, or, Barlow could have them murdered in the RJ style, certain that the serial killer would be blamed.  Finally, J could have known RJ before RJ became a murderer and shaken his hand then.  Shaking hands need not have anything to do with RJ killing J's family.

Re. #3:  It is an assumption that RJ personally committed all of his murders.  But what if he had a follower commit some murders in his style?  Then the whole methodology falls apart.  Further, there have been several cases of copycat RJ murders.  J would have to identify the actual RJ murders with 100% accuracy.

Further, it isn't credible that J wouldn't use everything at his disposal to whittle down a list of 2,000+ people.  He already admitted to eliminating women.  What about other characteristics?  Disability:  Could RJ be blind, rely on a wheelchair, or be weakened by disease (e.g., advanced MS, for instance)?  What about age--too young, too old?  And how does the Red Barn RJ-style murders change that criterion?  Would a famous face (e.g., TV star, important politician) eliminate someone from being RJ because he would be too identifiable?

Finally, I think the fans who have tried to use physical descriptions are on a fool's errand.  First is the question of whether all physical descriptions are of the same RJ person (vs. RJ and one or more disciples).  I put no faith in Rosalind Harker's description.  She is blind (we believe), but the bigger concern is whether she can be trusted, being that she's in love with Roy Tagliaferro.  Anyhow, physical characteristics are subject to change, especially over a long period (12+ years since the Orville Tanner RJ murder).  A person can gain/lose a lot of weight, and become much more or much less physically fit.  People may bald with age and balding people can use ointments to stimulate new hair growth.  Hair can be cut, straightened or curled.  People may go from a middle-aged appearance to definitely old over a 12 year period.  People can be ambidextrous.  How someone smells can change based on where they are currently living and what they are doing (construction project vs. city job).  Callused hands can become soft if you stop doing heavy physical work.  And people may even lose height with age (shrinking an inch is fairly common).  In short, I think the physical characteristics must be used very gingerly if at all.  Gender and significant differences in height--several inches, for instance--may be useful, but the rest is questionable.

Taking the J character as presented for the past 5 years, as presented, the list of suspects and methodology are both highly suspect.  If I had my druthers, Walter Mashburn would be an excellent RJ (worst part of it is I liked Mashburn--horrible thought!).  If I am FORCED to choose among the list of 7 suspects, it would be either Bret Stiles-plus-son/protege OR Sheriff McAllister.

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I have some thoughts about Bob and Michael Kirkland. Bob may have told Jane an unreal story about his brother. He has reasons. Maybe his twin Michael just disappeared and now Bob suspects him to be Red John. If it is, trying to catch Red John will be the same thing with finding his twin. 
Why did Bob Kirkland ask Jason Lennon "do you know me?". It is because if Jason answers "Yes you are Red John", then Bob will be sure that his brother is Red John. Why did Bob Kirkland catch the people on the fake suspects list and ask them "are you Red John?". Because their answers will explain whether Michael Kirkland is Red John or not.

If Bob suspects that Michael is Red John, does he give this information to Patrick Jane? Of course no. And he didn't give.

Now remember a scene from the last episode. Kirkland and Jane are talking after Kirkland kidnapped Jane. Jane says "What if I just give you one name to start?" and says "Robert Kirkland"

When Kirkland hears this, he doesn't seem to be surprised, but he gets unrestful. Because it shows that Kirkland's twin can be Red John, which he doesn't want to be true. And then look what he says: "...MAKES SENSE ACTUALLY".
Yes it makes sense because he is also suspecting it.

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They need Sherlock Holmes to find out RJ's identity :)

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Okay, so I agree with those who postulate that Red John isn't any of the 7 on the list. Here's why. We have to assume that at the end of the day, Jane will have bested RJ, outsmarted him. If it turns out that RJ is one of the 7, then Jane gets his man but never really gets that "aha!" moment where he tricks RJ. SO, I think that it will turn out that Jane KNEW that RJ would get his list, one way or the other, so he made up TWO dummy lists. One that he would call his real list, and one that he admits is his dummy list. He wouldn't even tell Lisbon about the real list, because we keep seeing how unreliable she is at keeping secrets. And he know that this would put her life in jeopardy if RJ knew that she knew. Since Jane doesn't believe in ESP, he knows there no way that RJ could read his mind, BUT, he led him to choose the 7 that he wanted him to think are on the list. This would throw him off the fact that Patrick is getting close, and Patrick IS getting close, using RJ's actions in response to the list to further whittle down his actual list. I sure hope that this is the case, none of the remaining suspects are attractive candidates. And, in the end, I think it will be someone else, hopefully, my boy Ellis Mars, who most RJ seekers see only on the surface, missing his hapless brilliance, for reasons pointed out in an earlier post.... Either way, enjoy the final shows!!

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I believe that Max Winter is RJ and he got help from within by Ron. He get most of his information from a device from the box where the gun is Winter gave him. I also believe Erica Flynn to be his woman.

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I think Bret is Red John. He has his official followers in Visualize, people can be really devoted to him. We know that in Visualize he helped some addicts, he showed them how to fight their weeknesses...just like Red John helped Michael Kirkland. Maybe Bret lets his most devoted followers to know also his "dark side", help him with the murdering, cover up if needed. I think Ray Haffner is one of those followers.
We know that Red John has been to jail - I don't think an ex convict can later become the chief of CBI or the Police. That's why I exclude Bertram and McAllister.

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