I think red john is not one person, it's more than one, just someone out of them is so abnormal and self-assured that uses their name to have fun.
I think red john is not one person, it's more than one, just someone out of them is so abnormal and self-assured that uses their name to have fun.
For me, the only TRUE payoff to the RJ storyline is if one of Jane's closest people turns out to be RJ (Cho, Rigsby, Van Pelt, etc...)
I'd like to think that Red John is smart enough NOT to let himself be narrowed down to 7 (obvious) people.
I'd like to think that Patrick Jane is smart enough NOT to tell Lisbon the 7 names cause he KNOWS she would go tell everyone on the team (unless that's what PJ wants her to do, knowing that its someone on the team)
I'd like to think that Bruno Heller is smart enough NOT to tell us that only 7 possible people could be Red John.
I'm not saying that the list is for sure fake....(I just hope it is)...but as far as the list goes, I still don't understand why Jane would tell Lisbon and, ultimately, the entire team...even printing out PICTURES of the 7 suspects!!??
Why would someone as smart, but as technically UN-savvy as Jane, PRINT OUT PICTURES of the 7 suspects!!!??? We all know that Jane tries to avoid computers at all costs...What reason would he have to go through the trouble of printing out, making copies, cutting them out individually!!??, or whatever he did? I just can't wrap my brain around it. Just having those pictures in his room is a HUGE risk, especially after he knows that someone had already broken in!
And to add to that: the possibility that their phones would be tapped, and when Lisbon told Grace, that someone would hear...OR the chance that their office is bugged and someone is listening to their conversations...
The ONLY place the list would be safe is IN JANE'S HEAD!!
If the show wanted to stay true to Jane's character, then there is no way that he would leave any sort of a paper trail, or ANY possibility of someone finding out his list...There have been TOO MANY times already that a mole has found out crucial information and ruined their plans!
So, in my mind, there are only two reasons why Jane would tell the list to Lisbon:
1. The list is fake, and Jane has one of his elaborate plans to catch RJ through casting out the "fake" list of suspects to throw people off.
2. There is a reason why he WANTS Red John (and other people) to know that he already has a list of 7 suspects.
I have no clue why he would want anyone to know...but maybe it is part of his plan? I don't know...
I guess you could say that he just wants to be loyal to his "team" and keep them informed, but come on, when has he EVER done that?
So, even though it seems that Bruno is sticking with the list, I just really hope he throws a huge curve ball at us, and gives us an AWESOME ending (that still makes sense, obviously)...
I just dont get the theories solving and justifying based on anagrams.
For eg "REEDE SMITH" is anagram for "The red is me"
The psycho killer here is named Red John. He didnt come up with it himself and shout that his name is RED JOHN? His only signature is the red smiley. its just a name that the cbi use to refer him as he is anonymous.
No more of these anagram theories please!!! They are like puzzles in a childs show like Janes fake suspect name "Dont Hurtme"
If forced to go with the list of 7, Bret Stiles is the only one with the charisma to attract even one follower, much less multiple followers willing to die for him. Others have made good arguments for various people not on the list of 7--such as Ellis Mars (Theory #7265 • By Sesshofz), Mashburn, etc.
My interest is in PJ's back story and what happens after RJ is caught/killed. This might be an interesting scenario:
o Homeland Security suspects the existence of widespread, organized corruption within California law-enforcement agencies -- the state FBI office, the CBI, and even local PD's. HS is interested because, aside from the crimes that might be committed or covered up, corrupt law-enforcement agencies are susceptible to being blackmailed or co-opted by domestic and international enemies of the US.
o Red John is a local serial killer either with no connection to the corrupt law enforcement people, or, who split from that group.
o PJ's extraordinary intelligence was identified when he was in foster care by Carson Springs Child Protective Services in his youth. The CIA (or similar sister agency) has programs to systematically identify and recruit young people with extraordinary potential, and trolls for such youths (similar to Talman Bunting's recruitment of math geniuses for national security computer work). Assume PJ is recruited as a teenager.
o PJ's cover occupation is a "psychic" entertainer, arising from his carny background. This affords him freedom to travel and set his own schedule, allowing him work for HS without it being obvious.
o Angela and Charlotte Jane are PJ's family. Both are killed in a car crash. HS (now the overarching organization which includes the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.) sees this as a unique opportunity to establish PJ as a mole within the CBI. HS persuades PJ to use his family's death as a way of investigating corruption in CA law-enforcement--a way of salvaging something positive out of his personal tragedy. HS has PJ make insulting on-air comments about RJ and then fakes the RJ murders of Angela and Charlotte. This creates the excuse for PJ to want to work for CBI to pursue RJ.
o As part of the effort to establish his cover story for the investigation, PJ agrees to being hypnotized to block memories of his HS connection and to believe RJ murdered his family. The FBI is suspicious nonetheless. Robert Kirkland of HS intervenes to have Alexa Shultz of the California FBI office arrange reports on the CBI RJ case (and therefore on PJ) to quell the FBI's suspicions. Kirkland also has his own motives for catching RJ and hopes PJ helps with this as well as uncovering the suspected law-enforcement corruption.
o PJ tricks his way into the CBI. As a CBI consultant, PJ is nicely positioned to observe and investigate the CBI and other California law-enforcement organizations. He:
- is dismissed and underestimated as an amateur by actual agents and cops
- spends a lot of unstructured, unsupervised time at CBI by sleeping there (practically living there) with the excuse of insomnia and the need for CBI "white noise"
- has access to all levels of the CBI and frequent contact with the California FBI and local PD's
- doesn't have to keep a regular work schedule
- has his RJ hunt to explain investigating all sorts of things without raising suspicion
- is monitored by the FBI and HS via Minelli's agreement with Alexa Shultz of the FBI, thus obviating other FBI monitoring, and, allowing HS to keep tabs on what the FBI (thinks it) knows about PJ and his RJ investigation
o RJ didn't kill PJ's family, but comes to enjoy the cat-and-mouse with a worthy opponent. RJ realizes PJ's true objective is to uncover law-enforcement corruption--the Tyger Tyger group--which is somehow a threat to RJ. RJ thus occasionally helps/protects PJ.
o The RJ-PJ-Tyger Tyger connections become more complicated when PJ actually makes progress in identifying and catching RJ
o HS loses control of the situation because of Sophie Miller's death (she's the link to PJ's unadulterated memories) and Robert Kirkland's personal vendetta against RJ. PJ is now uncoupled from HS and any recollection of the car accident which killed his family. So far as PJ knows, RJ did indeed kill his family and the quest for vengeance is real and deserved.
The future holds PJ fulfilling his quest to get RJ. Realizing PJ has learned far too much, the Tyger Tyger group targets PJ. Assuming members of Lisbon's unit are hurt/killed by Tyger Tyger, PJ decided to pursue Tyger Tyger as a worthy objective now that he's eliminated RJ.
Well whoever it is....no one may even care. The Show just had a series low rating of 7.75 million viewers this past week. I have always thought it was Patrick Jane. Red John= Pat Jane. Given his dark side....he also has killed someone...the fake Red John in the mall. He is masterful at keeping his emotions hidden. It seems to me he has the background with illusions and trickery to throw people off as well as great powers of persuasion to get people to do his bidding. It would be the most shocking ending of all but frankly the series would most likely have to end unless he was going to continue to help the CBI in custody aka the Blacklist...So why: He was so distraught after killing his family that he blotted out his true personality and then aided CBI to subconsciously stay in the know on the investigation.
I know a few ways to find out who Red John is but for this, we have to get help from other TV shows as follows:
1- Mr. Reese and Harold Finch from "Person of Interest" could help us find the social security number of the victim or Red John before a murder but they have to move the machine to California first.
2- Raymond Reddington from "The Blacklist" could get to him using his connections.
Just bored you know??? Let's see him already!!!!