[...] and then Kratos killed his wife and child because of Ares.
Now Ares did the same thing with Jane
[...] and then Kratos killed his wife and child because of Ares.
Now Ares did the same thing with Jane
On the first day of Christmas Bruno Heller gave to me
Brett Partridge on a killing spree :)
Thought this clue was interesting: I think the twin of Kirkland is an interesting theory. When PJ points out the pine needle on the suspect (with his face burnt and tortured) in the fourth episode, later they discover the property of kirkland's brother - which they use the pine needle again to confirm the correct area of forestry. RJ smells like pine, according to the blind witness who knew RJ based on touch and smell. Just an idea. Plus Kirkland keeps asking "do you recognize me?" I want to see what you guys think. Ps this site is awesome!
list fake! red john isn't on that list. wait and see. People just run with this thing about the producer said that rj is on the list, I mean where did they get that info from , did any of you who are are saying this saw a video with heller saying that him self . Bruno hell has to really be a donkey back-side to give out vital info like that which may compromise the trust-worth of his script.if you guys have a video send me the link otherwise not likely . so stop with the hear say and they say, facts will be better people. I said it once and I will say it againnnnnnnnnnnn! red john is not on the list and WALTER MASHBURN will make a HECK OF A GOOD RJ. he is the man for this role. walter! walter! walter! that's the man. lol. I guess we still got to wait to see but it HIM!
Many claim that McAllister is too old, but...
He is said to be 45 years old in his S01E02 appearance, which makes him approximately 50 years old now in 2013. The young Red John was at the Elliston Farm in 1988, which would make the Sheriff 25 years old at the time. Nick Nordella is playing a "young man" in episodes 7 & 8, which many think is the young Red John. Nordella is currently 25 years old....
I can see a scenario where Stiles shepherded a young McAllister to focus and rehab a troubled man. He ended up turning a dull knife into a scalpel. This is why he helps Patrick somewhat, he feels partly responsible for his family's murders.
Of course Stiles could be RJ himself. I've just enjoyed the whole storyline. My first choice was Bertram over the past years, but I'm gonna stick with the two best and most entertaining actors' characters:
Stiles and/or McAllister
Red John is a persona or a construct created by Brett Stiles, not one particular person. The Visualize religion is a cover for a CIA clandestine operation to develop assassins using post-hypnotic suggestion, narcotics and psychological conditions (i.e, phobias) as tools.
The subjects of the operation are drawn to Visualize and if they are suitable, they are brainwashed and conditioned to believe they are Red John.
At this point their suitability as assassins is tested by various targets to which they are assigned.
The idea is that clandestine operations can be executed by subjects who are not aware of what they are doing and have complete deniability even under torture.
I deduced this answer from the following observations:
1, Brett Stiles has a long association with Red John dating back to the first happy face on the barn.
2. Hypnosis and psychological susceptibility is a frequent theme in the series. For example the man who drags in a body to CBI believing it to be a sack of potatoes.
3. Stiles has friends in high places, throughout law enforcement. They are not touching him because his program is sponsored by intelligence agencies of the government. This is idea has parallels in real life such as the MK Ultra program from the 50s and 60s (look it up, its scary!).
4. There needs to be a trigger for the post-hypnotic suggestion. It is Tiger Tiger.
5. At least two of the suspects have phobias (pigeons, heights or spiders). This points to a psychological susceptibility.
Its not possible to determine, which of the seven original suspects are 'Red John' but my guess is all of them, and probably more (Roy Tagliaferro, and all the characters who have said 'Tiger Tiger'! ).
Hope you like the idea, Happy to discuss it.
I believe that the list of 7 is correct, I really do think that PJ was able to remember all the people he had shaken hands with, and then narrowed that down further. That eliminates all people not on the list
Bob Kirkland - He's dead. It's hard to be Red John when you're dead.
Bret Stiles - He's a maybe, but I think it's unlikely that someone who already has his nemesis, the ying to his yang (Red John has his nemesis of Patrick Jane) would start up a cult. From what I understand of Red John he wants to play games with PJ, he wants to torment him. He wants to keep him running in circles. As such, I don't think he'd start up a cult. I also think he's too old.
Reede Smith - I think Tyger Tyger organisation is distinct from Red John. Maybe there used to be a connection, but I don't think there is at this stage. I think that the organisation has taken up part of what they know of Red John (Tyger Tyger poem) and used it for their own, in a salute to him. I think that they respect him and want to emulate him, but are not him. It could be that he started it, or that he used to lead it or something, but I think that either they're separate completely, or he has now left, and separated himself. As such, as Reede is clearly a member of Tyger, he's not Red John.
Brett Partridge - I think he's too young. If PJ lost his family in the 1990's then Red John has to be old. I find it highly unlikely anyone under 21 would have committed the murder of his family, I also think that it would have to be someone of at least 25, but most likely 30. That makes Red John, now, about 45, if not 50. Too old to be Brett Partridge.
Ray Haffner - I think him too violent and emotional and rash to be Red John, a calculated and careful man. I think he's more likely to be muscle for Tyger Tyger, which as I said previously, I believe to be different to Red John.
Thomas McAllister - We know that Red John is a learned and well spoken man. Two things that do not seem apparent of Sheriff McAllister. I know voices can be put on, but it would seem to me that his has too much of a regional dialect, and too many colloquialisms. I also don't think he has the devotion it would take to be as thorough and brutal as Red John.
So, in the words of Mr Holmes, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is the truth. That leaves Gale Bertram.
I don't think by any means this is a concrete argument, but I think out of the 7 it's most likely to be Bertram. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's someone completely unexpected, and not even mentioned in the top 15 in here. But, I have to say, I think Bertram is the most likely.