Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Okay guys lets just be cool for a moment and think straight.After the last episode there are 3 possibilities in my opinion.

First Possibility which i hope is not true i will personally be very dissapointed is that Red John is not a single person it is just this 'Tyger Tyger' organisation in law enforcements and thats why it is very hard to caught him because there is no Red John there is just only a bunch of strong connected law enforcements officers who help each other.

Second possibility is that once again Bruno Heller tried to confuse us.I believe a lot of you including me believed that Red John was Timothy Carter from s03e24 and waited for a whole summer to see what is going to happen.So there is a strong possibility to make this happen again.So if this is happening either Red John was off the list of 7 from the beggining or is Brett Partridge.If it is someone off the list i will be very dissapointed also cause NO one can be Red John...And dont tell me about Ellis Mars(OMG) or Walter Mashburn or even worse CBI Ron...If it turns out to be out of the list then Bruno Heller better stop writing.But if Brett Partridge is Red John then Bruno Heller is very smart.I am saying this because before this season most of people's number one for Red John was Brett Partridge...Bruno didnt liked that and wanted to take us away from Partridge so he "killed" him and trapped us once again to believe that Red John is someone else from the list.

And the third possibility which i believe would be the best is Red John being one of these 3 men.Gale Bertram , Reede Smith , Sheriff Thomas McCallister.Of course that means he is the leader of this "Tyger Tyger" thing and thats how he can go away with so many murders...If the third possibility is true then we have to think from the beggining.We have to think the "He is mar" ,,we have to think Rosalind Harker's description ,we have to think the body type of Red John in s02e23 we have to think Rebecca's reaction(s2e08).From the description and the body type of RJ in s02e23 and also by thinkin straight we have to rule out Reede Smith.Come on now you believe that Bruno Heller put RJ in the show in season 5!!!! and made him a fat guy with violence tenses...Come on RJ isnt that type of guy.So Gale Bertram or Sheriff Thomas McCallister or Tom as he wants from PJ to call him...Or RED JOHN as i call him...Xander Berkeley is a great actor and its odd that he played only in one episode and was chosen to be one list.Im sure non of you when you saw the list remember this guy...And its also strange that the mentalist writers made him younger.This is odd isnt it??I am saying because he has to fit in age with this young man that possibly wil play the young RJ in the next two episodes in the Elliston farm.

1)RED JOHN IS JUST AN ORGANISATION(I LL KILL YOU HELLER IF THIS IS TRUE :) )
2)RED JOHN IS EITHER BRETT PARTRIDGE OR SOMEONE ELSE OFF THE LIST(ILL KILL YOU TOO)
3)GB or RS or TM...and my pick is TM(Thomas McCallister)

Glad to read your thoughts!!

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Red John was always the smartest one,so tell we why would such a person who has always been ahead of the Jane and CBI hire some unprofessional PI to bug the place...I always thought he has already done that in the past or at least he got his information from dirty cops now known as tyger tyger organization...my guess is that some member of the organization tried to bug the place because they are worried how much does Jane really know( This is the question Smith asked Bertram in Bertram´s office),also Haffner told Lisbon and Van Pelt that Jane pissed of some powerful people except Red John so he could also be referring to the organization...they are affraid Jane knows about them,they try to bug the place,kill the PI,she saw the three dots,there was no smiley at the scene...it just did not feel like Red John classic murder.

I know a lot of you will be annoyed of something that I will say right know but I will say it none the less. If you are Red John and you know you are one of 7 people what would you do,it is like Red John said to Patrick(until you catch me or I catch you)...first thing you would try do to is to get yourself off the list and that is what Red John has done...he faked his death and has been misleading Patrick ever since as always. Since the beginning we have been given some clues to make us think all the other suspects are suspicious,for instance...Betram saying I am many things to many people,hints that McAllister has a fear of heights later shown uncorrect,Haffner´s fear of the spiders,Smith saying to other agent You know how I am abouth heights hinting he has a phobia of heights,suddenly everyone is whistling(McAllister,Haffner,Smith and even know Bertram in his office after the talk with Jane and Lisbon and Stiles when coming to Jane´s house).

Also we were supposed to find out why was Partridge killed but I am not sure we got the explanation,all we know he said tyger tyger and later we find about the organization but why was he killed,Heller stated that his death was important and I don´t see how except he faked his death and is Red John actually. At least for Kirkland we know he was close to tracking the organization so he needed to be killed.

I really don´t know how Heller imagined all of this but don´t you think it would be a little lame if such a smart character as Red John is given away by a cheap tattoo and we find about it from some PI when he killed her in a rush making that big mistake showing her the tattoo and also not having the time for making his mark.

A lot of you say you are annoyed by the Partridge theories and find it stupid,but I don´t see that other theories are so much better. Bertram is a guy who needed Jane´s assistance in the poker and he doesn´t seem to have that much of inteligence,Thomas McAllister was in one episode before season 6 and he was presented as a complete fool in that episode and now he is suddenly some smart ass sheriff who has great deduction skills,Haffner was outsmarted by Jane in first episode of season 5,and Smith is we must admit almost everyone less favorite candidate for Red John considering the weight although I think he is a good character for this tyger tyger thinh. Only Stiles has the brains but seems to old and seems like willing to help Patrick.

Partridge maybe never shown the inteligence but also was never really outsmarted by Jane,yes he always got the Red John sightings wrong saying it was not Red John when it was him and saying it was Red John when it wasnt him but he could be doing this just to annoy Jane. He has the closest voice of all suspects to Red John. Also that scene in 2. season when Jane scares Partridge and then Red John scares Patrick when Patrick thought he already left,it just seemed so cool if it was really Partridge getting even.

You must admit that he is/was a really good suspect no matter what. We will see who Red John really is in about two weeks so by then...Cheers!



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 This theory is all about looking the last six episodes from Jane's perspective. 

1. Patrick Jane knows that there is no way he can catch Red John from the front and through any direct attempt as time and again red john has warned jane that he has still too much to lose. Jane has also failed twice in his attempts to catch him or lure him in directly. It is also established that there are powerful people directly or indirectly involved with jane and they will come in the way. 

2. Red john has some leverage over Tyger Tyger and they do his dirty work on command. This way red john makes sure that any clue he has left is buried. Red john has a perfect person for this job, Bob kirkland's twin brother Michael kirkland. He is the one who killed Jason in the hospital, he was in the room with Gale Bertram in ep 516 when he asks bertram if they can trust lisbon. Jane, red john and michael kirkland has some carnival connection and that is how red john knows how to kill jane's happiest memory. There is no trick. 

3. Red John obviously knows that CBI has placed GPS tracking on 7 suspects (so does jane). but why call lisbon while killing partridge? to make sure that jane knows red john has leverage over him. Also to make sure Jane buys his plot. Jane also makes sure that red john knows that he buys it. Red john is not that easy to fool. so he wants to be 100% sure. 

4. Red john goes to shophie miller and plants some clues for jane. Jane makes it look like he buys it all. Lee carman thing was a hint from red john as that name is clearly related to Jane's past and triggers some memory. 

5. There has to be someone inside jane's team who is directly or most probably indirectly feeding daily reports to red john. One thing was very clear from the start that Jane and red john are alike in so many ways, their deductive reasoning and observation skills. it is only natural that with the available data, jane and red john come to same conclusion and hence the matching 7 list. and lorlie martins may still be alive and it's piece of cake for michael kirkland with the help of tyger tyger. interesting thing is that Jane knows it somehow as we can almost see from his expression and words, "she had it coming" as he know that red john will never kill her, same way red john will never kill patrick. 

6. Now it all comes down to a stage act (not very different from carnival trick). Two acts, one to make you believe and one to distract you. Jane and red john both are playing this game since the middle of season 5. Red john has to make sure Jane totally buys his game and Jane has to make sure he is no threat to red john. that's why red john confirms the 7 suspect list as he wants to be perfectly sure, without any possibility of doubt that jane is on his game. 

7. Tyger Tyger is worried if jane figures out their involvement and Red john has made it clear that Jane is untouchable. 

8. Red john is many persons as he is master of disguise. He is involved in tyger tyger as brett partridge. he was another person with rosalind. That is why rosalind's description is not that relevant because when red john was with her, he was a totally different person. Same thing is when he is meeting with sophie miller, he is a totally different person. Bret stiles knows his one true identity and he may be his adopted son. when all 5 suspects are sitting together in the room with jane, stiles has no unusual expression as if couldn't possible imagine them to be red john. macclister is full of fear when he says, "it's not what you think". he is clearly pointing to tyger tyger. bruno heller is right when he says, "partridge is dead". 

9. When you want someone to play your game, you make sure rules don't apply to you. that's what red john did at the beginning,  he takes himself out of the game. Jane is doing quite the opposite, he is in the game but he changed the rules when he made sure that partridge remains dead.

10. Tyger tyger is paranoid as they need to know what jane's game is. They also don't know what red john has in mind. They target lisbon's team for info and hire a detective possibly through Ray haffner to spy on cho. Red john knows it and it's the perfect piece for him to take care of jane and tyger tyger. he (or michael kirkland) disguises as tyger tyger operative and kill the spy while making sure jane gets it. Jane is playing the game with his rules and he makes sure everyone knows. While tyger tyger is curious, bret stiles and haffner aren't. Ray haffner is just caught in the middle of all. Bret stiles knows when tyger tyger knows. tyger tyger reaches out to red john and red john sends a note to stiles. stiles makes himself reachable to jane but maintains the show. 

11. Partridge fakes his death. Jane fakes a red john killing in the blast (last scene of 606), making red john absolutely sure that the game has reached it's climax. Jane cleverly keeps lisbon out of it to maintain the status quo between him and red john. 607 will reveal the insider informant of red john in lisbon's team.

12. Now jane has a leverage he never had. he is just behind red john and red john couldn't possibly know it. Lorlie martins and bob kirkland may come back.  

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Theory #8912 • By jbo
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Not exactly a theory, but a question.

At the end of the extended preview (http://youtu.be/gEXVZcADxC8), when PJ states "He's one of them", seeming shocked, could he be referring to Cho as a member of 'Tyger, Tyger'? He always wears short-sleeved shirts, which could've made it feasible for his tattoo to be revealed if in a fight with Kira Tinsley. It could all have been just a setup with her, and he is the one passing on info.

Also, Ron seems to be talking to Rigsby about the suspects, how come?

I can't wait for next Sunday!

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What if Bruno Heller meant that Red John actually looks like Waldo and not that he's lurking in the background somewhere?

Who do we know that looks like Waldo?? Thin, geeky, brown hair, hmm...

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My Theory #7593

Theory of seven days ago, until I hit a lot of things, I said I would be left

Sheriff
Haffner
Styles

Hit at least two would be eliminated and that would remain three. My bets are still on the Sherrif and Partridge (yet), haha.

And you? What do you think? Bertram perhaps? Or no list? I think missing two episodes, has to be some of the list, right?

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Ok, for RJ to be caught, he HAS to make a mistake, however big or small a mistake will have been made because otherwise they would never catch him.

Kirkland was my main suspect, especially after asking over and over if he had seen his face before (to the guy he was going to torture). Why ask that? Who is to say that was in fact Bob and not his brother?

Kirkland was saying that his twin was an alcoholic and he had tried to help him, Jane then said that Bob was the stronger of the brothers by doing something with his life. He obviously has issues, there is no proof at all that his twin is dead.

Kirkland has quiet a creepy voice and could quiet easily sound like RJ.

Why would Kirkland keep asking the (fake) suspect if he had seen his face before? It could also be a distraction from the actual killer.

I don't think it's Haffner, he has far too much anger towards Jane, RJ seems to enjoy the game.

If Brett Partridge wasn't dead I would have said it was probably him, working in forensics he would know how to leave no trace of evidence and even over looking any evidence found. He is about the right age, height, hair. I don't think they will say he isn't really dead though.

Bertram is the most obvious suspect, he also seems to be the most popular suspect (from people I have spoken to). It depends if they are going to go with the most likely so that people will feel good because they got it right, or if they will go with a big twist.

I'm hoping for a twist, and I do think there will be a few more twists to come yet.

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