Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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If RJ is on "THE LIST," I'd go with PARTRIDGE [presumed dead but not] [which I think is a lame choice] or KIRKLAND [because of newfound TWIN revelation] [being a better choice] -- mostly because both of these men match descriptions the best.  And then there the whole BRET STILES IS RJ'S FATHER possibility -- or that STILES is involved somehow.

HOWEVER: outside of THE LIST, my favorite suspect was Ellis Mars.  Until today, when another suspect caught my eye [though also "psychic" like Mars] after I read a post about RJ using hypnosis to make 7 suspects all act like RJ.  I realized several things!

WHAT IS JANE'S #1 RULE?!!
 THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PSYCHICS!

         WHO is ONLY person to make JANE break HIS OWN RULE :   KRISTINA FRYE.  
She beat Jane at his own "fake psychic" game.  UPON FIRST MEETING -- JANE DID NOT LIKE HER, but....

What's the perfect way to scam a scammer?  INJURE THEM -- and then COMFORT THEM.  Kristina reassured Jane when she claimed his wife told her that his daughter never woke up to feel pain or know what RJ did, gaining his sympathy, making him CRY -- eliciting emotions and manipulating him because Jane WANTED to believe it [the alternative too horrifying to imagine].  And Jane should really know better because...

           JANE FELL FOR HIS OWN GAG -- [the very tricks he used on others NOW being USED ON HIM [PURE BEAUTIFUL IRONY] BECAUSE --- he's as emotionally vulnerable as anyone he ever counseled or preyed on in the past -- and while his "fake psychic wing has been clipped," so to speak -- Frye is still strong, flying high as a con artist -- and she succeeds in creating a "transference" -- whereby Jane will associate feeling closer to his wife and daughter through her  [even though she's likely the one who HAD them killed]  [BRILLIANT].  

KRISTINA [means a Saint who was tormented by her Pagan Father] FRYE [child or offspring]:  clearly, Kristina Frye is likely the illegitimate child of a very powerful man, like say Bret Stiles, perhaps?


Now, getting back to Jane's perception of KF, and subsequently ours, too -- we're made to believe perhaps she really IS a psychic -- or at least a healing, kind woman -- and maybe even a suitable romantic match for Patrick!!  They were like dating, right?!  And Kristina tries to talk to RJ, fearless in her good deed [BALONEY].  But then, oh, no -- RJ kidnapps FRYE and puts her in "catatonic" state --- and she's reduced to a helpless victim [MORE baloney].  When Jane did a seance/hypnosis to test FRYE -- and got nothing --- thereby rendering her performance as "genuine" --- it's worth noting that Frye is the ONLY character in the ENTIRE MENTALIST history that 1) successfully manipulated Jane and that 2) JANE COULD NOT READ.    Because...
 
IN SEASON ONE, EPISODE 7: 
Jane was sure that Kristina Frye was the killer of a wealthy woman run down by a car --- as deceased woman left Frye all of her money and had been paying her thousands every week for "psychic" readings.  BUT despite Jane's best efforts -- HIS MENTALIST TRICKS DIDN'T WORK ON FRYE.  He could't get her to crack or show anything.  At the end  -- the woman's daughter admits to driving the car that ran her mother down -- a little TOO easily, if you ask me.  The girl breaks down and the case is solved.  BUT I THINK KRISTINA HYPNOTIZED DAUGHTER to do the dirty work, to give herself away.

Also -- I wrote about SEASON ONE CLUES to RJ's IDENTITY in #8676 yesterday, and then I read a post where someone suggested that RJ has been using the seven suspects on the "List" to make them all ACT LIKE RJ at one time or another through hypnosis.  So, GETTING BACK TO THEORY THAT RJ IS MANY PEOPLE -- but not because they are willing in it [like they are inTiger Tiger] -- but because they are being hypnotized and USED when RJ needs them.
TWO THINGS I KNEW FOR SURE:  1) HYPNOSIS WAS BEING USED and 2) RJ connection to REDHEADED WOMAN but I OVERLOOKED relating this to the 7 suspects as I'd gone off thinking RJ was on the list -- until I realized that  A repeating PLOT THEME from SEASON ONE is the missing puzzle piece:  A WOMAN USING MANY MEN to kill for her. 

Episode 3:  TEENAGE GIRL kills to protect a group of teenage boys.  THEN, boys kill for HER. 
Episode 8: a WOMAN HYPNOTIZES men to kill for her, [including her sister].  She also puts Rigsby under her spell.
Episode 21: A CON WOMAN, who CHANGES IDENTITIES to con men out of money.  BUT a smart mentalist woman like Kristina Frye -- could just use OTHERS to BE HER IDENTITY, changing people as needed.  What a brilliant disguise.

WHAT if the man Lorelei knows is separate from the man Rosalind Harker knows?  If these two women genuinely know these men -- but the men are separate -- it truly makes it much harder -- especially if these men are used only for a short time as pawns in a scene that RJ is trying to create for PJ -- going back to their usual normal everyday identities when she no longer needs them -- them never knowing what they just did having been under hypnosis.  A game carefully orchestrated.  

So, just because Jane accepts that Frye is a RJ victim doesn't mean we have to -- and who knows what he's really thinking -- perhaps he knows he'd have to wait a long time to really catch her.  That the trap he'd have to set for her would be to "play" along for a while.

SEASON ONE CLUES and Kristina Frye:  She's a...

REDHEADED WOMAN
PSYCHIC
probably USES HYPNOSIS 
FOOTBALL -- "ROLL TIDE" might be a "key word" in hypnosis 

However, there is still much to be revealed.  I have a feeling I'm at least hitting on some truths but likely there will be twists none of see coming.  At least, I hope so.  I don't think, as much as anyone enjoys theorizing, that we want to 100% completely figure it out.  I hope to be surprised with things I didn't think of, but it's fun to guess in the meantime.  CHEERS!

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If you watch the last scene of ep 6 closely you will notice that Brett stiles does have a tattoo on his left shoulder but it's not 3 dots it's an anarchy tattoo which has similar meaning to the 3 dots tattoo it symbolises anti-government movement it's also used by people who feel they don't belong to any group or cult of certain people however I wonder if it's an actual clue if not then why is it there also I don't believe that red john is the one who killed the pi for two reasons first he is not sloppy to leave her like that he should've sliced her off second his shadow can be seen a moment before he enters and it doesn't look like any of the possible suspects except for maybe Kirkland but I don't buy it one last guess I believe that the wait no that was heard before the gunshot was Bertram's jane asked the three to explain the whole tattoo thing or he will shoot them one by one until one talks so the gunshot was just an attempt to crack one of them so he reveals the tyger tyger conspiracy but can't reveal everything because of the bomb I don't want to seem too meticulous but the explosion started from where haffner and stiles where in the room

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So im gonna go with what I consider obvious.
Bertram, Smith and McAllister are part of this big organization that involves police, fbi and who knows who else, so im gonna go with the theory that Red John is not ONE person, but a bunch of people.
Think about it, just like "Hostel" bunch of crazy people who like to kill just for fun so they created this "club" so they can cover each other when they do it.

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Theory #9082 • By still confused 04
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In the last episode, Fire and Brimstone, Grace goes to visit Brett Styles. And he is talking about a man from Ecuador that he helped. He calls him "ambitious" and says he is the minister of state. Then he quickly rushes Grace out.

Is this some sort of clue?

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I'm curious to see who actually still thinks Red John is one of the 5.
Up until now I was quite certain Bruno Heller wouldn't lie to us about it but after the last episode I can't see any of them as Red John..None of them seem fascinating or brilliant like this 'great' serial killer who has been killing for so many years..Even Bret Stiles is dying and he seemed quite insane in this episode. (not in a good way)

GREEN:  Red John is NOT one of the 5.
RED     :  Red John is one of the 5.







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Theory #9079 • By GoodSHOW
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While watching RED SKY IN THE MORNING I found the clue with
the timing of the opening credits. When Hightower says,"Does this feel
like Red John to you?" Jack Plotnick pops up right after. I do not think
it is a coincidence. PLEASE WATCH!



My top three:

Partridge, Kristina Frye
and Van Pelt or some type of combination. ( We all know Van Pelt is in on it
somehow cause she is the one always tracking people and Lisbon tells her just
about everything )



Here are some important clues
and statements from Stiles in, THE BLOOD ON HIS HANDS.


Many policemen are
visualize members.


Pj cares for Kristina,
Bret Stiles says, First your wife and child now miss frye


Red john is jealous of Pj
wants to take everything he loves


Bret Stiles says he’s an
unpleasant sort of fella, PJ Refers to Partridge as irksome.


Van pelt when talking to the
lucy and uses some pj skills and grigsby compliments her in the car about it.
Mcloughlin and FBI thought
Visualize had people inside of law enforcement. 
Stiles claims He knows
more than pj or Red jon and knows what he’s planning probably because visualize
members have to tell what they did wrong during ventilation (like confession) claimed by lucy.
Lisbon claims Stiles likes
Van Pelt in the most recent episode.


Lisbon is not in the clear
either. side note lol



For next week’s episode
the Great red dragon is a Bible reference and painting done  by William Blake who wrote tyger tyger


 

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in
heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and
seven crowns upon his heads.


We see here this "red dragon".  This is the devil,
and he is shown red all over to show his murderous and destructive personality.
This is the only place in the New Testament that dragon is used. Here it is not
a literal "dragon", but a figure of Satan. (Satan)


These seven are heads of evil governments. This world power,
through these earthly kingdoms, comes from Satan himself. 

http://www.discoverrevelation.com/Rev_12.html Interesting! 

 

 

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This is what I am thinking at the moment.

I was the last accuser of Patrick Jane that actually got a positive result  LOL I am proud.

So where are we now.

I am starting to think that a member of the team will definitely end up being part of the tiger tiger group. The tattoo is quite well spread in law enforcement. I think RJ will be part of this tiger group. However Nobody in the group will know or suspect that he is RJ. This person will also be known to Bret Styles.

RJ is definitely not on the 7 suspects list. I am completely sure of that.

The biggest clue I have read as to the identity of RJ is from an Interview from the actress that plays Lisbon. Here is the quote.... which is the biggest clue yet when asked what she thought of the choice of RJ

"I was surprised, and had I been Red John, I would have been equally surprised,"

So..... if RJ turned out to be Lisbon..... 98% of the people reading this would be surprised.

She's not, by the quote, but RJ is very much someone that we don't suspect, hence we are going to be surprised.

So who would surprise you?

It is highly possible its a member of the team. Unlikely but possible all the same. I would say Cho would be my choice. What can be done with him when Rigsby and Van Pelt leave? RJ may not necessarily be killed, he may just escape. Cho killing VP and Rigsby would be quite shocking. Also he is an interesting character that we don't know that much about. Other then he does everything, by the book.

I am still hoping for the PJ = RJ swerve, be great to see where they went with it, if it isn't cancelled by then.

Afterall they could have kept Timothy Carter as RJ and continued the series focusing on other aspects. That would have been a believable conclusion. They had to do a bit of digging to get out of that one. Must be for a good reason :)

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