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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
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Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Theory #9106 • By eyalamir
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While watching RED SKY IN THE MORNING I found the clue with
the timing of the opening credits. When Hightower says,"Does this feel
like Red John to you?" Jack Plotnick pops up right after. I do not think
it is a coincidence. PLEASE WATCH!



My top three:

Partridge, Kristina Frye
and Van Pelt or some type of combination. ( We all know Van Pelt is in on it
somehow cause she is the one always tracking people and Lisbon tells her just
about everything )



Here are some important clues
and statements from Stiles in, THE BLOOD ON HIS HANDS.


Many policemen are
visualize members.


Pj cares for Kristina,
Bret Stiles says, First your wife and child now miss frye


Red john is jealous of Pj
wants to take everything he loves


Bret Stiles says he’s an
unpleasant sort of fella, PJ Refers to Partridge as irksome.


Van pelt when talking to the
lucy and uses some pj skills and grigsby compliments her in the car about it.
Mcloughlin and FBI thought
Visualize had people inside of law enforcement. 
Stiles claims He knows
more than pj or Red jon and knows what he’s planning probably because visualize
members have to tell what they did wrong during ventilation (like confession) claimed by lucy.
Lisbon claims Stiles likes
Van Pelt in the most recent episode.


Lisbon is not in the clear
either. side note lol



For next week’s episode
the Great red dragon is a Bible reference and painting done  by William Blake who wrote tyger tyger


 

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in
heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and
seven crowns upon his heads.


We see here this "red dragon".  This is the devil,
and he is shown red all over to show his murderous and destructive personality.
This is the only place in the New Testament that dragon is used. Here it is not
a literal "dragon", but a figure of Satan. (Satan)


These seven are heads of evil governments. This world power,
through these earthly kingdoms, comes from Satan himself. 

http://www.discoverrevelation.com/Rev_12.html Interesting! 

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Looking back at the sixth episode, a lot of things didn't make sense.

Why
would Red John try to bug the CBI office?

We
know that Red John has been narrowing the list down, by killing Bret Partridge.

Red
John has always been one step ahead of Patrick, maybe he
was it again?

Think
about it for a second.



One
thing that I am absolutely sure about, is the fact that Red John is extremely well organized.

Someone
with these characteristics plans every single detail of his actions.

Remember
killing Sophie Miller? Patrick said: ''He must have been waiting until he knew
I would try to track her down''. ''He planned this weeks ago, maybe even
months''.

Furthermore,
remember killing Partridge and luring Lisbon in to a trap? You don't improvise
those actions.



Red
John was aware of the list with seven suspects. He must have known Patricks
intensions, and try to put him on the wrong feet. The first step was killing
Partridge. The second step was getting in touch with the woman who spied on the
CBI team, and making her believe that
he has a tattoo on his right arm (three dots). He could have added a fake
tattoo on his shoulder easily, with the intension of putting the tyger tyger
group in the headlights. Or maybe he hypnotized her? Who knows.



Haffner
is a private investigator who is very good at his work. Kirkland was very good
at his work as well, and he managed to find out about a secret organization
(Tyger Tyger). Maybe Haffner was able to pull of the same thing? Or maybe
Haffner is somehow connected to the Tyger Tyger group, and marks his most
important disciples by giving them three dots. 



The
third logical step for Red John would be to put the attention on someone else.
First he made people believe that he is doing a sprint to the finish with
Patrick (by killing Partridge), and now he makes people believe that either
Smith, Bertram or McAllistor is Red John because of the tattoo (continuing his
sprint to the finish).
While in fact, he is putting them in the crosshairs.



Red
John is a powerful individual, someone with a narcissistic personality. He
probably has a form of megalomania, because he is very proud at his work
(remember one of the finales in which Red John saves Patrick from copycats).
Red John read out loud the poem of the Tyger, by William Blake, to show off his
power to Patrick.



This
is also why Red John killed the Jane family. Patrick made Red John look
ridiculous on the television, this must have made him very angry because he has
a form of megalomania, and thinks of himself as a showman and artist. It must
have hurt his ego... Red John is a
ruler, someone who gives orders and holds all the strings in his hands.


Someone with these characteristics would hate the idea of having similarities (or sharing
something) with other
individuals (the three dots). These dots don’t proof anything, just the existence
of the Tyger Tyger group (who are very likely connected to Red John, one way or
another).



Haffner
told Lisbon that he joined Visualize as a messed up kid. Maybe
a messed up kid with megalomania, who was traumatised by something that happend
in his youth, or has another personality. Bret Stiles made him his deciple, and learned him how to
control his dark urges. Maybe Stiles came up with the idea of giving Haffners
dark personality the name John (a very common normal name). What if they signed
this other personality up for Visualize as well? That would mean that Haffner
is on the Visualize member list as Ray Haffner and as Red John. The perfect
cover. 



 As
far as we know, Stiles doesn't have any children. Maybe he considered Ray
Haffner as his child. A good parent gives his child the right education and
life lessons, and shapes his personality. Stiles his idea of education was
finding a way for Haffner to live with himself. He also gave Haffner money to
start his own private business, something you only do if you are really close
with someone.



Going
back in time, there was a scene in season 5 episode 13 in which Lisbon asked
Haffner about his life. She said: ‘’So Ray, you said that you joined
Visualize as a teenager. So 1988, you would have been 21’’?  In which Haffner quickly responses: ‘’Yeah
about that...’’.  After which Lisbon
asks: ‘’Did they ever sent you to work on Allisons farm? Were you there?’’. In
which Red John answer: Lisbon, we are still friends right? Why would you ask me
that? (which I thought meant something like if you go further with this I will
have to hurt you).


Red John figured out the list with seven suspects before Patrick did.
This means that he could have been able to make a plan in which he could
possibly betray/frame the Tyger Tyger group. Maybe he even told his most loyal disciples
that they were going to be in the crosshairs for him.

 

It is very likely that Red John met the woman who spied on the CBI in a
place like a gym. We know from the scene in which the doctor’s notes are read out
loud, that Haffner works out on a regular basis and wears a t-shirt while doing
this. This must have been the ideal place to show off his (fake) tattoo. When
Red John killed the woman who spied on the CBI, he must have planned to not
finish her off completely. Red John hates lose ends, so this would be the only
logical explanation for me. Killing a woman like that requires strength and
speed, something Smith, Bertram and McAllistor don’t really seem to have. Also,
the shadow seemed to show a little bit of hair, which eliminates Bertram.

There are so many other things which point to Haffner as well. He is an
excellent whistler, short-tempered, easily offended (when Lisbon said he was a
possible Red John candidate).  Again a
form of megalomania.

Also, Red John is a very intelligent person, and a master of body language.
When Jane got the seven suspects together in one room, Haffner was the first
person to say that it was ridiculous. This could be interpreted as someone who
is very guilty of something, but later on Haffner ‘’proofed’’ that he didn’t
have the tattoo. Which made his action one of a man who is truly upset by
something, right? Wrong...    He reacted
at first to be a step ahead of Patrick. He knew Patrick would back off if he
saw the tattoos from the other guys, and he knew that his action would be interpreted
as ‘’upset’’. I think this would be a typical Red John move, always being one
step ahead of the competition.  Isn’t
that were the entire show is about?

Even though I am not a woman, Haffner looks charming and charismatic,
something which a lot of women find attractive. I just feel and think that he
would make the most logical and intelligent Red John. In one of the
conversations with Patrick Jane, Haffner said something like: You always know
it better, don’t you?  The mentalist is
about little clues, and I believe that if we add up all of these little clues
we get Ray Haffner.

So why do I not believe that the other suspects are Red John? Multiple
reasons. I believe that Heller changed the identity of Red John a couple of
times. The first Red John was introduced to us in either the first or the
second season, and must have been Partridge. Heller must have had an escape
scenario, in case the show would not get a lot of views. Imagine having a
random Red John if season three would have been the last one? No one would buy
that...

Fortunately, the opposite thing happened. The mentalist had become a big
success, and slowly, but surely, Bruno Heller must have decided around the
fourth season that it was time to round things off and start writing a complete
profile of Red John. This is exactly around the time that Ray Haffner came in
the spotlights. During the fourth season in episode two he appeared, which
would be the exact right time.

Reede Smith got introduced in the fifth season, which is way too late.
He is chubby, not very high profile in the FBI, and seems to be someone who
finishes the dirty work (like killing Kirkland). He doesn’t fit the description
of Sophie Miller as well. She said there was every indication that his phobia
issues were true, whether it was acrophobia or another kind of phobia. We know
that Haffner is afraid of spiders, which could be considered as a phobia as
well.

McAllistor is not afraid of heights and does not seem to have another
phobia . Also, he doesn’t seem to be powerful enough to be Red John. When
Smith, Bertram and Mcallistor were talking in the room, I just felt that they
were corrupt agents and were talking about something, but nothing more. Red
John is very mobile and was able to go to Mexico to kill a lead that the CBI
had before they were able to reach it. I just don’t feel like a local sheriff
has the mobility to pull something off. We know that Visualize has a private
plane, which Stiles used to disappear. Of course Mcallistor could be a
visualize member who happens to have access to that plane, but it just doesn’t
feels right.

Summarizing, Haffner works for himself. He is good looking, well spoken,
but there are signs of an evil and narcissistic personality. He seems to be in
excellent shape, and he really likes Teresa Lisbon. Enough reason to save her
and put a smiley on her face. I think Red John admires Lisbon as much as Jane
does, which is maybe another definition of the poem in which Red John referred
to symmetry.  

He has been in Visualize, and admitted coming there as a damaged kid. He
was about 21 years old when Red John started killing people, which would be the
perfect age to show that he is mature and aware of his actions.

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Question?

In trying to solve this with the rest of you, I watched the promo for next week several times. It says,"the truth will uncover an even bigger lie."  Its leading you to think of Tyger Tyger. But Tyger Tyger is already uncovered (at least partially). And technically, it is not a lie. An extremely corrupt organization, yes. But a lie? I don't think so. 

So any ideas on the lie that will be "uncovered"? 

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Hi there,

For 6 years now i've asked myself 1 question, after reading a thousand of your messages on this website i never say this question ( sorry if i missed it).Red john is so powerfull cause he has a million people working for him.
My Question is :

WHO IS SO POWERFULL IN THE MENTALIST WHO CAN HAVE SO MUCH PEOPLE DOING EVERYTHING FOR HIM?

i really don't see anyone of these 5 suspects beeing Red John, well to be honest only brett stiles fits this power abbility BUT he's to old and to small indeed BUT he can manipulate all those people even TYGER TYGER so is it possible that Brett stiles orders them to kill and all of these TYGER TYGER guys are the Red John who actually do the killing part but Bret is Red John, THE Red John, and now he is dying so maybe that's why red John said on that tape with Lorelei that he wants to change things and now want to get after Patrick Jane because he (Brett stiles) is dying so cant add more monts or years to the Red john story

grtz
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C'mon guys...he has the same voice, right years and an appropriate personality and profile. He was on the scene with RJ's murders and he is from the first season. He is not dead, it was a plan to disappear on the Jane's radar. And then...the name "Partridge"??? A coincidence????? Blake ecc ecc...so if is not him, i will hate Heller for ever.

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Theory #9097 • By fdsaa
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i think that red john is not among these 5. 3 dots only confirm about
tiger tiger organisation. What i want to know is why did Jane go to that
man alone. ( i dont know if you remember he told lisbon he was running
errands just after the meeting with that man ). At first i thought he
was hiring him for backup. But then as you know there was no sign of him
in the house so i wonder what did jane need from him i think this can
help us understand patricks plan better. so if anyone has any idea please leave a comment.
PS thanks for awesome theories ! :) ---->  that is crying smiley from red john

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If RJ is on "THE LIST," I'd go with PARTRIDGE [presumed dead but not] [which I think is a lame choice] or KIRKLAND [because of newfound TWIN revelation] [being a better choice] -- mostly because both of these men match descriptions the best.  And then there the whole BRET STILES IS RJ'S FATHER possibility -- or that STILES is involved somehow.

HOWEVER: outside of THE LIST, my favorite suspect was Ellis Mars.  Until today, when another suspect caught my eye [though also "psychic" like Mars] after I read a post about RJ using hypnosis to make 7 suspects all act like RJ.  I realized several things!

WHAT IS JANE'S #1 RULE?!!
 THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PSYCHICS!

         WHO is ONLY person to make JANE break HIS OWN RULE :   KRISTINA FRYE.  
She beat Jane at his own "fake psychic" game.  UPON FIRST MEETING -- JANE DID NOT LIKE HER, but....

What's the perfect way to scam a scammer?  INJURE THEM -- and then COMFORT THEM.  Kristina reassured Jane when she claimed his wife told her that his daughter never woke up to feel pain or know what RJ did, gaining his sympathy, making him CRY -- eliciting emotions and manipulating him because Jane WANTED to believe it [the alternative too horrifying to imagine].  And Jane should really know better because...

           JANE FELL FOR HIS OWN GAG -- [the very tricks he used on others NOW being USED ON HIM [PURE BEAUTIFUL IRONY] BECAUSE --- he's as emotionally vulnerable as anyone he ever counseled or preyed on in the past -- and while his "fake psychic wing has been clipped," so to speak -- Frye is still strong, flying high as a con artist -- and she succeeds in creating a "transference" -- whereby Jane will associate feeling closer to his wife and daughter through her  [even though she's likely the one who HAD them killed]  [BRILLIANT].  

KRISTINA [means a Saint who was tormented by her Pagan Father] FRYE [child or offspring]:  clearly, Kristina Frye is likely the illegitimate child of a very powerful man, like say Bret Stiles, perhaps?


Now, getting back to Jane's perception of KF, and subsequently ours, too -- we're made to believe perhaps she really IS a psychic -- or at least a healing, kind woman -- and maybe even a suitable romantic match for Patrick!!  They were like dating, right?!  And Kristina tries to talk to RJ, fearless in her good deed [BALONEY].  But then, oh, no -- RJ kidnapps FRYE and puts her in "catatonic" state --- and she's reduced to a helpless victim [MORE baloney].  When Jane did a seance/hypnosis to test FRYE -- and got nothing --- thereby rendering her performance as "genuine" --- it's worth noting that Frye is the ONLY character in the ENTIRE MENTALIST history that 1) successfully manipulated Jane and that 2) JANE COULD NOT READ.    Because...
 
IN SEASON ONE, EPISODE 7: 
Jane was sure that Kristina Frye was the killer of a wealthy woman run down by a car --- as deceased woman left Frye all of her money and had been paying her thousands every week for "psychic" readings.  BUT despite Jane's best efforts -- HIS MENTALIST TRICKS DIDN'T WORK ON FRYE.  He could't get her to crack or show anything.  At the end  -- the woman's daughter admits to driving the car that ran her mother down -- a little TOO easily, if you ask me.  The girl breaks down and the case is solved.  BUT I THINK KRISTINA HYPNOTIZED DAUGHTER to do the dirty work, to give herself away.

Also -- I wrote about SEASON ONE CLUES to RJ's IDENTITY in #8676 yesterday, and then I read a post where someone suggested that RJ has been using the seven suspects on the "List" to make them all ACT LIKE RJ at one time or another through hypnosis.  So, GETTING BACK TO THEORY THAT RJ IS MANY PEOPLE -- but not because they are willing in it [like they are inTiger Tiger] -- but because they are being hypnotized and USED when RJ needs them.
TWO THINGS I KNEW FOR SURE:  1) HYPNOSIS WAS BEING USED and 2) RJ connection to REDHEADED WOMAN but I OVERLOOKED relating this to the 7 suspects as I'd gone off thinking RJ was on the list -- until I realized that  A repeating PLOT THEME from SEASON ONE is the missing puzzle piece:  A WOMAN USING MANY MEN to kill for her. 

Episode 3:  TEENAGE GIRL kills to protect a group of teenage boys.  THEN, boys kill for HER. 
Episode 8: a WOMAN HYPNOTIZES men to kill for her, [including her sister].  She also puts Rigsby under her spell.
Episode 21: A CON WOMAN, who CHANGES IDENTITIES to con men out of money.  BUT a smart mentalist woman like Kristina Frye -- could just use OTHERS to BE HER IDENTITY, changing people as needed.  What a brilliant disguise.

WHAT if the man Lorelei knows is separate from the man Rosalind Harker knows?  If these two women genuinely know these men -- but the men are separate -- it truly makes it much harder -- especially if these men are used only for a short time as pawns in a scene that RJ is trying to create for PJ -- going back to their usual normal everyday identities when she no longer needs them -- them never knowing what they just did having been under hypnosis.  A game carefully orchestrated.  

So, just because Jane accepts that Frye is a RJ victim doesn't mean we have to -- and who knows what he's really thinking -- perhaps he knows he'd have to wait a long time to really catch her.  That the trap he'd have to set for her would be to "play" along for a while.

SEASON ONE CLUES and Kristina Frye:  She's a...

REDHEADED WOMAN
PSYCHIC
probably USES HYPNOSIS 
FOOTBALL -- "ROLL TIDE" might be a "key word" in hypnosis 

However, there is still much to be revealed.  I have a feeling I'm at least hitting on some truths but likely there will be twists none of see coming.  At least, I hope so.  I don't think, as much as anyone enjoys theorizing, that we want to 100% completely figure it out.  I hope to be surprised with things I didn't think of, but it's fun to guess in the meantime.  CHEERS!

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