Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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I am 100% tha partridge is red john here is why:

we all know red john is lonely person do his work alone no contacts no partenres.

partridge is the only person has no relations with any one in the list. on the contrary, the others

all related and met.

partridge abominates Patrick's theories and spiritual mediations thing jane insulted red john through a programme about spiritual mediations IT IS CONNECTED.

It is very palpable brett hates jane and jane does too

in S1 E1 I quote from jane:"I'm sorry, he irks me he is irksome"

that's exactly what red john does every time talk to Patrick he is getting on his nerves

share your thoughts with me....^-^



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Right - so out of the five that were on the couch, only 3 had the tattoo.. But how hard would it be for someone outside of the 'Tyger Tyger' group, to get the same tattoo, if they had inside man in the group, who knows what the secret tattoo is? This is what makes me think Bret.
Also, if Bret has nothing to hide, why was he so determined to avoid questionning from the FBI? I think Patrick is right and Stiles isn't actually ill - he just wants to disappear from the public eye or maybe Visualize? Maybe he has had enough of being some crazy cult leader?
Also, when Kristina Frye disappeared, it was Bret who knew where Jane could find her - he gave her the exact address.. I don't buy into all the psychic/inner eye stuff that Visualize is all about - even if it is a fictional story - it just doesn't seem right...

However, does anyone remember Walter Mashburn? The millionaire who let Patrick drive his Lamborghini and Patrick accidentally leaves the hand-brake off, causing the car to roll off the cliff? Well, he was in several episodes and always loved being a suspect.. We really don't know an awful lot about him and we haven't seen him in quite a while.. Just a thought..

To comment on someone else's theory though, I think the Tyger Tyger group are doing their own bidding, whilst 'trying' to catch Red John, but only putting in a small bit of effort, because they can in theory, pretend that some of the things they are doing were actually done my Red John? Passing the blame and reducing the amount of suspicion?

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Theory #9329 • By johnnny
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This is Red John running after someone!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKejf6EVMKg

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I want to share my thoughts with you (Some theories have inspired and helped my comments):

1) If RJ is on The List :

A)If RJ is one of the last 5 suspects:

I
think RJ wants to draw Jane's attention to "Tyger Tyger Organization".
As we know, Rj is not a stupid or naive killer. He is narcist so there
is no reason for him to be involved in any group. He just recruits
accomplices and directs them according to his agenda. He set up a plan.
He hired the PI and deliberatley showed his fake tattoo ,which is the
same as the"Tyger Tyger Organization", to her. That's why he said "Tyger
Tyger" at the end of S03 finale. He has something with "Tyger Tyger".
He may be in it in his early years but then quitted for onknown reasons.
He wants both to draw the attention on "Tyger Tyger" and to get off the
radar. In Jane's house, Bertram, Smith and McAllister have 3 dots
tattoo. I think these they are:

a) Moles of Bob Kirkland or something else. They infiltrated to "Tyger Tyger Organization" to bring them down.

b) They're high degree members of "Tyger Tyger" and not moles.

c) They're high degree members of "Tyger Tyger", not moles and trying to catch Red John for unknown purposes.

Jane
separated them from Bret Stiles and Ray Haffner. I don't believe Stiles
is Rj so that leaves "Ray Haffner." He must be RJ. By the way, it
seemed to me that especially Sheriff wanted to explain Jane their
position and agenda. Probably before the explosion, they told that they
were from "Tyger Tyger Organizaton"( as a moIe or not, we don't know
yet). That also explains why Jane tells Rigsby that he shouldn't trust
anyone in law enforcement. PJ learned about "Tyger Tyger" now.

Besides,
the car that was about to crash with Lisbon's was very suspicious
(While Lisbon was hurrying to Jane's residence). Maybe, Jane and some of
the suspects were in it. Maybe RJ or his accomplice was in it. That was
an important scene IMO.Also, in the next episode trailer, I think I saw
the agent named Oscar Cordero who gave Rigsby the file of Kirkland's
death. As far as I saw, he was pulling his gun.
Rigsby and Van Pelt's departure could be result of his bullets. Maybe
one of them dies and the other one can't resist being in CBI any more so
he/she leaves as well.



B)If RJ is one of the suspects that are presumed "Dead":

a)
Brett Partridge: I don't think Jane is so stupid not to be sure that
Partridge is dead. This point is so important. If RJ is Partridge, PJ is
a real moron and Bruno Heller messes up everything he has built so far.

b)
Bob Kirkland: It's so interesting that we still haven't seen Patrick's
being informed about Kirkland's death!!! I don't think it's off the
camera becuse if it were that, Patrick Jane would investigate that
himself and that would be shown to the audience. There's something going
on there! By the way, I think that there's an important possibility
that Michael Kirkland is RJ. Why? Bruno Heller told that we can trust
that list. Yes , if Michael Kirkland is RJ, he is on the list as "image"
but not "as identity". Bruno may have told the truth "partially" in
this respect.

By the way, there is a certain pattern in suspect list:

-First, the writers kill the most suspected RJ candidate Brett Partridge.

-Then they kill Bob Kirkland, who had a same agenda with PJ.

Now, We have 5 suspects. Think about that.

- 3 of them are from "Tyger Tyger Organization".

- 2 of them are from "Visualize".

That's
not a coincidence. Maybe "Tyger Tyger Organization" and "Visualize" are
rivals/ enemies for unknown reasons.We know that RJ has a connection
with Visualize (Even it could be personal (Bret Stiles). That also
explains why RJ is so eager to draw Jane's attention to "Tyger Tyger
Organization"..The most logical person to be RJ is Ray Haffner in this
respect.

2) If RJ is not on The List:

Also, I think that
the show must surprise the audience while revealing RJ's identity. Now, I
don't think most of us would surprise if RJ is on the list. Maybe we
would surprise if RJ were Smith or Stiles but not as much as it should
be. Throughout six seasons, we've been watching the show and waiting a
big surprise for RJ's identity. OK, Bruno Heller could have preferred
this kind of pacing and narrative to reveal RJ ( Give audience a list,
eliminate the people one by one, find RJ step by step) but this would
lower the degree of surprise that the audience would want. As a
conclusion, one part of me wants to believe that RJ is not on the list.
This would really surprise everyone. Jane has never revealed his list of
suspects (except Gale Bertram) he just confirmed RJ's list. That could
be the key point if RJ is not on the list.

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It can be anyone because is a TV show, but the only one that would make sense is Jane himself, kind of Fight Club style.

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I'm fine with ANYONE else than Reede Smith. 

Reasons why Smith would make the worst RJ out of all suspects:

1. Too chubby

2. Appeared in 1 episode (before season 6) with no important, memorable appearance. Just a side character, the real FBI agent in the episode was his partner.

3. First appearance in season 5. This alone would make the reveal terrible.

4. Had barely even talked to Jane

5. He's already revealed to be bad and was shown killing Kirkland.

6. If he was RJ then no appearance before was RJ... I want The John from s2 finale to be the real one.
  
There are more reasons too. Hit the green button if you think Reede Smith is the worst suspect of em all. Hit the red button if he'd be a good RJ. 

I want to know what others think.

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After thinking I came up with these thoughts:

ray haffner is who hired spy woman an killed her 
why did he hire her?

because he is not cbi agent any more he doesn't have the authority to access so he wants to

know Patrick's progression, he may have relationship with the spy woman he wanted her to

think he has three dots tattoo. presumably, draw a tattoo on his arm wrongly vertical direction

that's why the woman when she was dying pointed three dots vertically


Iam not accuse haffner as red john


Another thing...

in the promo of the great red dragon episode we see rigsby looking for tattoo of random guy arm

is it possible that Tiger Tiger group is Extended more than three members?


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