Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Before the list my two suspects were Mashburn or Bertram. Mashburn was a suspect for the money/resources and the free time to kill people and Bertram was a suspect for his police connections. I am left with Bertram as a suspect.

Like many of you I was puzzled with the strange meeting Bertram had with Kirkland about trusting Teresa. However now it makes sense. Kirkland was trying to identify people in the tiger tiger society by pretending to be one of them (meeting with Reed Smith). So Robert Kirkland probably told Bertram Tyger Tyger but Bertram being Red John knew that he was not in the TT society. 
Also remember when Rebecca told Jane that RJ wanted him back on the case so he wanted Bosco dead. All supervisors that were between Bertram and Jane were either killed or moved away so Bertram /RJ could be closer to PJ.

My only problem with Bertram is the timing. How would someone in that kind of job would have the time to go on a killing spree? Also Jane had Bertram all this time under his nose and was not able to see through him. 

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Theory #9482 • By Turgan
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Alın size Red John Kim' in cevabı,
Red John, anonim, mutasyona uğrayan bir seri katil formu. Aslında hiçkimse, şöyle ki esasında bu oluşum içerisindeki amaç birliği yapmış herkes Red John. Aralarında statü sorunu olmadan birbirlere devredilen bir lakap. bunun en büyük kanıtıda amerikada kimliği bilinemeyen ölülere verilen "john doe - jane doe" lakabı. JOHN herhangi bir erkek , RED ise kan kırmızı yani katil olduğunu gösteriyor. bir nevi anonymous erasers yani kimliksiz siliciler, batmandeki güç dengeleyiciler Ra's al Ghul (arapça şeytanın başı) gibi. Kısaca red john sanal bir karakter, bir örgüt.
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Red John is anonymous character, all of them (had a tatoo) are red john. This is morphic serial killer but these have a purpose for that. a lot of Killing jobs have a lot of red Johns some ones die (jane killed him a real killer- remember child smells fine) some ones still living.

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Everyone ages. Soft skin goes loose and rough. Baldness occurs later in life if you have the gene. Pounds are added as life increases. All these can be factors that have altred the view of Red John in our eyes. It's perfectly natural to age over a ten year time span of mass killings. I don't care how good you are, if the stress doesn't get to you right away, it will show in your body later in life.

That being said, is it possible we are all looking at this from the face value, present time frame? What if the descriptions we've been given of Red John by his discriples are those that occured years back and not now? We have no way of knowing if Red John dressed up or altered his appearance for Rosalind Harker...after all, she is blind. She wouldn't know the difference. Occam's Razor I feel applies here. The simplest explanation is likely the most correct. We are basing our facts about Red John of possible red herrings, faulty memories, inreliable witnesses or accomplices, and not the simplest explanation. What if Red John is none of these? What if he dressed differently when he saved PJ at the end of Season 2 than when he would videotape/spy on CBI and send them footage, or for Rosalind Harker?  Do I have the answer? No. I'm just trying to figure it out like all of you and discern the red herrings from clues.

Some things I think we should think about, since I haven't seen them brought up in many theories lately.

1) What about the last episode of season 5, where Red John said he'd be killing again, often, until he catches PJ or vice versa. Where are all these killings? We have no way of knowing if RJ actually killed Kira, he didn't slash her like usual victims. Lisbon was saved when Patridge was killed. I expected more classic RJ murders. Where are they?

2) How the hell did RJ read PJ's mind about the childhood memory? This still has not been touched on. At all.

3) RJ is getting sloppy. Too sloppy for someone who knows he's being hunted. I would have thought he'd be more careful since any slipup is a clue for PJ. And we know how pissed RJ was when he found out PJ learned of their handshake. And that was one clue after ten years.

One last thing. Christopher Nolan vehemently denied any rumors or speculations about Ra's al Gul's daughter being Talia in the Dark Knight Rises. What happened there? I'm not prescribing to the Patridge-not-dead theory, or the twin theory of the Kirklands, or the RJ-is-not-on-the-list theory...I'm just saying that anything goes. And Heller will intentionally mislead us the way RJ or PJ does. Was Bertram not bald at some time? Did Stiles look substantially younger 10 years back?

I'm hoping that the reveal will not be a let-down and all our questions are answered. A nice, clean closure a la JK Rowling's final Potter book would be excellent.


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Have a look at the paper copy at this link: http://damnitjane.tumblr.com/


So we now definitly know:

- its one of the seven
- he led the group

omg i am so dissappointed. There is absolutly no twist, no surprise. But then the question is: Why did he kill one member of his own group? (Partridge..). Would only make sense if Partridge is RJ himself.

From this paper article it seems to be clear, it is Gale Bertram. It fits in the story:

- was there at the season 3 finale (would be a great flashback moment); could set the trap for jane. jane already suspected him.

- Smith to Bertram: "Do something about it". Many thought: So Bertram is not the leader, but isnt it normal that "kids" are pleading their "parents" to do something?

- The scene with lisbon and kirkland in the office. Would fit perfectly if Kirkland is in fact Michael Kirkland (would be a great flashback moment)

- he quotes William Blake. Everybody thought that this was too obvious, but perhaps just because of that, it`s him. Don´t think complicated :)

what doesnt fit:
-Rebbeca in Season 1/2 ? smiling at RJ in the dungeons. Everybody would have recognised Bertram. But perhaps it wasnt RJ but another follower of him and Rebbeca just thought it would be him.


What are your thoughts about it?
I think it is him; would be really dissappointing because not really unexpected, but at least i want great flashback moments (showing why RJ was ahead all the time or how RJ reacted in certain situations; sitting at Rosalind, killing lorelei, predicting the list, observing Jane etc., would be a great scene)




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i think red john is reede smith beacuse in the last episode he say he Afraid of high places same thig of red john

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lots of these theories rule out the suspects because of their age, hair
and appearence, but Jane knows Red Johns general appearence and voice,
so why would he put them on the list in the first place?

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