The latest theories about Red John's identity (page 832)

The article pretty much told us who Red John is so it really can't be misunderstood in my opinion. It doesn't spell it out but it's close to it. I'm not going to give anything away but it's not so bad it could have been worse I guess. Still hopefully he can do him justice. I still had my preference though. I don't think they post the spoilers in the articles in TV GUIDE. The temptation is just too much. I haven't seen the last episode but from everyone's comments it seems that it is obvious who RJ is, when this really shouldn't be the case, we should still be left guessing until the very end.

I don't think it's all gonna add up but we'll wait and see.

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can we plz stop the number / name comparison

if u try tomatocheessandwich u get 165 but if u do redtomatocheessandwich u get 666

so we know red john loves TOMATO CHEESE SANDWICHES and tomato is red too!!

really.. the numbers makes no sense

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Theory #9585 • By h2ouup2

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My guess would be Gale Bertram (I)

Not so much clues, but since Bruno likes numbers and clues. I took the liberty to assigning numeric values to names.

Now taking the alphabet and give A a value of 6, B 12, C18, etc. (Each letter value increases by 6 until you get to Z which has a value of 156.

Now this is off the wall, but wait...

Everyone says 666 & Red John have a lot in common. So lets look at the number list I have above.

Mark of Beast = 666
Other Gods = 666
A End of Times = 666
A President = 666

Lucifer = 444 so take 444/666 you get .666
Red John = 444
Jesus=444 (who does Lucifer try to imitate?)

Grace Van Pelt = 744 (don't know if this is anything or not)
Jay "Red" Roth = 744

Gale Bertram = 612 (what is is middle name?) Gale I. Bertram = 666
Ray Haffner = 612

However if you put first Initial as in G. "Red" Bertram you get 666

I don't think Heller actually went this far in advance to put this type of clue, but you never know.

However when you look that the not for Patrick that says "Dinner is in the oven." you will notice that each of the letter "E" is written differently.

Now go back and look at Bertram's hand writing and notice he has a tendancy to change his letter "E" from time to time.

Now for the final numbers game:

If you put Gale Bertram is Red John you get a value of 1224 since he is two people if you divide by two you get 612!

Having fun with numbers what do you think?

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TellingTruths is correct, in my opinion.

Brett Patridge was RJ (a serial killer getting too much attention) but is now dead.

Partrigges also was simply only a member of the TT group not the head (Partidge was in law enforcement)

This posed quite a problem for the TT group, it is because of Patridge's actions that the CBI now has the mighty PJ looking into any murders in TT juristiction.

Bertram wanted Patrick to figure out that Patridge was RJ and kill him (that is why he sent PJ and Lisbon to the desert- to see Partridge),

When PJ failed to make the connection, Bertram had Patridge killed.

Patridge having been RJ would explain a ton. (see other posts on Partridge)

However, PJ will now confront Bertram, the head of TT.

In PJ's mind Bertram is just as guilty as RJ because it was under Bertram's watch that the TT let RJ (Partridge) kill his family and now he must die as well.

Just trying to make sense of this all.

Not perfect but maybe getting closer'

AUGH.......

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Allright let's take a big loop here.

1)

Lorelei wasn't killed by Red John. She was killed by the Tiger Tiger clan, which Partridge was a part of. At S05E22 he misspoke.
The photographer asks, after Partrigde stated RJ layed down for years: 'RJ killed recentely, didn't he?' Partridge now realizes his little mistake and talks himself out of it: 'Euh, Lorelei Martins was an intern affair, that doesn't count.' But he actualy knows the truth: Tiger Tiger killed her, and he made it look like a RJ killing just as he did several times before (not always that good cause Jane saw through the details). They killed Lorelei to irritate RJ (who didn't know anything about what she said to Jane about shaking hands) and maybe because she shot a cop before - or she knew some things.

Now, what about the DVD and the list of 7? It definetely was a trick, but, once again, one by Jane himself. He made the DVD when he was still with Lorelei (who was thankful to him for saying the truth about her sister) in case she would die. When she does, the DVD helps Jane to misdirect Lisbon (and via her the rest of the team) about the suspects. She now for sure falsely believes that these are the RJ suspects.

The DVD that the woman who stole the child in S05E22 really handed over, was a complete different one, by RJ himself. He cuts Jane a deal, that even Lisbon cannot know: if Jane helps him to dismantle the Tiger Tiger conspiracy, he will reveal his identity. Jane takes the deal and start hunting for the Tigers, which he allready knew of, and those are the people that his list of 7 contains (probably he also suspected Haffner and Kirkland to be a Tiger, Partridge surely was one - why Stiles is on that list seems unclear). He uses RJ as bait.

RJ meanwhile takes revenge for Lorelei's death and kills Partrigde, a key link in the chain of Tigers. Bertram and both Smith look worried after reveiving the news of his death. 'You sure it's him?'
Now things are getting loose and one of the Tigers goes after RJ's new spy, the private investigator. Not RJ who killed her. RJ isn't killing too much; he is getting desperate to become friends with Jane. Kirklands death is double: it both fits the Tigers and RJ cause Kirkland was tracking down the two of them.

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Stiles is wanted by the FBI, thus by Reede Smith. They want to question him about two murders from over 20 years in the past, this must be about the Red Barn killings in 1988 by RJ. Stiles hides at the ambasade because he feels that they're closing in on RJ, and he wants to protect him (maybe he knows about Smiths overagressive style of interviewing and is genuinely afraid). Could be Haffner is RJ, and by accident also got on Janes Tiger Tiger-list. Then it could be someone completely different.

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Is there a link between Visualize and the Tiger Tiger clan? Probably, and that link is probably Red John.

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Sorry, this is just for fun because the TV Guide article has everyone calling for one person. I've read it so I know the theory

Since Van Pelt and Rigsby are leaving the show I just thought I'd throw out someone like Rigsby. He has been on since Day 1. The actor is actually Welsh in real life and has a very strong accent. It's strange to see. So he could change his voice to be creepy or different. The spoilers say..........

That the show will end with the killing of Red John and then fast forward 2 years. So maybe Rigsby was Red John. He dies. Grace loses 2 bad husbands/boyfriends and quits to disappear and there we go.

By the way here is an interview with him. Funny to hear him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwVPw44lta8

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I'm sorry to reveal it, but we will never actually get to see Pj killing Rj, because Red John is already dead.

Brett Partridge was Red John, and he was killed by the Tyger Tyger conspiracy, hence why his last words to Lisbon were "tyger tyger". This is the important clue Heller was talking about.

The Tyger Tyger conspiracy pretends that Red John is still alive, and that's why "they" called Pj after the murder of Brett Partridge. Brett's killer (whom is part of the Tyger Tyger conspiracy) was a former associate of Red John.

The TT conspiracy have committed murders under the name of "Red John" before, but the one who killed Pj's family was Brett Partridge. He was the original Red John, the one who killed multiple women before the murder of Pj's family.

Some people may think that Brett Partridge is too young due to his looks, but his character is actually played by Jake Plotnick who is 45 years old (born 1968). If we assume Brett Partridge is about the same age, he would have been about 20 years old when committing his first murder (at the Visualize barn). This also explains Rj's connection with Visualize, and Bret Stiles extensive knowledge about Rj.

The murder of the private investigator was carried out by the TT conspiracy, not Red John.
Hence the sloppy work and the reveal of the three-dotted tattoo.

McAllister's blurt out "it's not what you think" in the latest episode pretty much means that he wasn't involved in the murder of Pj's family. In fact, noone of them have anything personal against Pj, and noone of them were involved in the murder. Everyone in that room is guilty of something though, the Visualize members for keeping Red John's identity a secret since the barn murder.

I might have missed out on some information but don't fear, it will all be explained in the upcomming episodes ( ¦ ))

(For additional information about why Brett Partridge fits to be Red John, take a look in some other theories. I choose not to include such things, because my intent was only prove how he is Red John, despite being dead. Listing everything else would take too much time. Remember, this is not a theory, it's the truth.)

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