For people saying "Would RJ blow up a house he was in? NO!". Obvioulsy at least 3 to 4 people are going to survive that blast so obviously it's a focused explosion or something of that nature which pretty much GUARANTEES that RJ is in the house. Otherwise why not make sure of the job and use an explosive that will make absolute sure to kill EVERYBODY?
I still think it could be anyone, but one thing I think warrants focusing on is the scene where PJ sets up the two guns. It's very deliberate. In screenwriting you don't waste screentime on anything not really relevant. I think it is the pistol he wants to kill RJ with not the shotgun. Also the placement of two guns makes me think that he des not know who RJ is but he atleast knows of 1,2,or 3 that are definitely not RJ. I think he discovered that a while ago over the past three episodes and ever since making his list. He is too smart to not have atleast eliminated one or more suspects from his list. If this is true, I think atleast one of the 7 is aware, from Patrick, of atleast part of a plan that PJ has. I think this also may involve one or more of them being fake-killed. Maybe Stiles knows (since hes the one PJ had to go and see). Maybe McAllister is an ally and played the plan well by saying "it's not what you think." I think that nothing in the promos is as what it seems.
Questions for those who have more attention than me. Where do we see the photoboard with dead suspects that everyone is alluding too. I can't find that...
People people people. THERE IS NO WAY GALE BERTRUM IS RED JOHN. NO WAY!!!!!!
You really think they'd make that oaf Red John??? Get serious!!
Then you have these people saying "IMBD" lists only him and Reed I the episodes after red john.
DID YOU STOP TO THINK IT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ARE IMPORTANT LAW OFFICIALS THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE EXPOSED CORRUPT???
Let's see. 5 guys in a room all possible red john suspects and the room blows up!!! I'm sure red john would blow up a room he's in!!
I always thought that Partridge was Red John. Now I am thinking Bob Kirkland (with his twin brother) is Rj because his story fills the blanks.
What is the meaning of "he is mar"? Look closely it. It is kind of "II is mar". It (he) is number two and refers to the twin brothers. Mar means Michael And Robert.
How did RJ know the list of PJ? We know that Rj is also a mentalist. Robert had a great cover. FBI and CBI considered that Kirkland believed PJ might be RJ so they gave information about Jane and his investigation on RJ. Therefore, Kirkland did not need to have a mole in CBI or FBI. Their directors were already his informants without knowing it. We know how mentalist are good at educated guess. Kirkland always watched closely Pj and even knew he was in mental institute even CBI did now know. With all information about Jane and the RJ investigation, a great mentalist like RJ can easily predicts the names PJ suspects.
How are RJ and Visualise connected? Michael had alcohol issue like his father. We also know that Visualise has also members with this kind of problems in their past. (I do not remember the episode but there was a girl with drug addictions and she said Visualise helped her to be clean). I think Michael also became a member and he was at the Red barn. Robert found Michael and how he became drug-addicted there after his alcohol problem. He killed other two members of Visualise and made his brother his disciple. He also hid his brother because he thought Visualise would suspect that Michael killed those members and could hurt Michael. So he made his brother disappear. This is how Bret Stiles knows about RJ. He believes he is Michael who kills people because his killing rituals resembles The Visualise rituals in a twisted way.
What is the meaning of conversation between Jane and Kirkland? When Jane said Robert Kirkland is in the list. He said "interesting. make sense actually but this doesn't help me with my cause, does it?". When Jane said "you are hunting RJ same as me". He also replies "not exactly the same, I am willing to kill seven people to get the job done". He also rejected Jane's demand to work together. He said "we both want our revenge and only one of us is going to get it". He has another agenda. He is not hunting Red John, but RJ himself and he wants to kill other suspects for a reason. That is his revenge. Maybe he hates Bret Stiles because what Visualise did to his brother and Haffner is the one who introduced the visualise to him and Tyger Tyger group is a threat for him or Bertram, McAllister and Smiths are moles in the group led by Red John.
If they are undercover cops inside the group, this makes sense. They are close to reveal the head of the Tyger Tyger group (I mean Kirkland). This why he approached Smith and told him about the group. He is a mentalist and he knew Smith would act with his anger and act against him. When it is revealed that Kirkland is a murderer hunting Red John (smith thinks that way) and might tell about the group to Jane, he feared that that would ruin the operation and he killed Kirkland. However, he did not know that the driver was the man of Kirkland and his gun had blank bullets. He was holding something when he was running. I assume that it was igniter for fake bullet wounds at his back and he swallowed something. I think it was a drug to help him weaken his pulse look him like a dead. In this way, he maybe planted the bomb at Jane house to kill all of them or wants Jane to kill them. That is why he gave tattoo clue to Jane.
Last thing. I am not sure Michael is identical twin of Robert. he said he has a twin brother, not identical twin. Maybe CBI Ron or Brett Partridge is his brother.
Sorry for bad English.
Okay, so here is my theory!
Just to be clear, I (like everyone else) don't know who RJ is, but I've been thinking about a few things.
1: The "Tyger, Tyger" -thing. This is a poem by William Blake, god knows what it means when they all say that, but I have noticed that Bertram quotes Blake in several episodes. Can't remember season or episode-numbers, but I've noticed it. If that's a clue that it IS him, or that it isn't, who knows.
2. Partridge. He's always seemed very suspicious, and his death made me even more convinced it might be him. What doesn't add up to me is that i've always pictured RJ to be older. In season 1, we find out that the cop who dies in the end (after trying to kill PJ) knew who RJ was since "he was a friend of his fathers". That cop must have been atleast 25, so RJ should be 50 or so. Of course, his father could have befriended a younger man, but if i don't remember it wrong his father and RJ had known eachother for "a long time" and been in prison together?
3. Haffner. The way he reacts when he speaks to Lisbon in the coffee shop made me think it's not him. RJ is such a smart, "chilly" serial killer, it doesn't seem to be his "style" to just deny he is RJ, and he says to Lisbon "will you stop thinking it's me if i come" etc.
4. Kirkland. He is obviously a crazy, crazy man. I, like everybody else, have been thinking about the theory about his brother - does he have something to do with RJ? IS he RJ? And did Kirkland die for real? We still haven't seen any bodies...
I can't wait to find out who it is, just hope I'm not disappointed! The worst would be if RJ isn't a real person but just a conspiracy, that'd just SUCK.
In my opinion, Red John is 1 of 3 people;
Bertram, Haffner, or Partridge. I’m
strongly leaning towards Bertram, for many reasons which I’ll explain, but I
can logically see Haffner or Partridge being our serial killer, so I’ll explain
those as well.
It seems to me that there are outside forces working that drive the outcome of
shows like this, and in the case of The Mentalist, the biggest force at work
would have been whether or not there was a random cancellation, aka the end of
season 3. As other people
have pointed out, in the episode where Jane shot a man in the mall who claimed
to be Red John, our suspected advocate to this serial killer was Craig
O’Laughlin. We’ve always
seen that Red John was a step ahead of Jane, who himself was a step ahead of
everyone else. The assassin
walks into Bertram’s room after riding the elevator up a few extra
floors. This puts the
initial focus on Bertram, who as Red John would be a step ahead… knowing that
Jane would read into the rope clue but not get it right away. This serves to buy O’Laughlin time to
kill Hightower before being found out and redirecting the focus off of the real
Red John (Bertram). Then
Bertram was able to leave the mall where Jane’s suspicions were placed on yet
another person. His concern
was on several things at that moment, and Bertram was just in the way of him
trying to save Lisbon, who was guarding Hightower and in danger of O’Laughlin
showing up. He also did not
want to lose sight of the man he later suspected and shot. Looking back on that episode now,
Bertram played everything perfectly, he looked convincingly unwilling to go to
the mall with Jane, like he was thinking it through, and then when the plan
hatched in his mind to place a fake Red John and further push focus off of himself,
he said ok and joined Jane.
I believe strongly that the show was given second life after this episode was
filmed and our initial showdown in the mall was going to be Bertram and
Jane. Upon being extended
for more seasons, it was easy enough to place another man in the mall to be
shot, proving to the audience that Jane will really one day shoot Red John (he
has the stones to do it… at one point he thought he had done it).
I have to note that Bruno Heller was quoted saying several things. He said he had to convince Simon Baker
to do a show for 6 seasons upon hiring him as our Mentalist, meaning that the
plan was always 6 seasons for Red John. If
the end of season 3 was our final showdown, it would have only been because of
possible cancellation and the need to close the story… and really that episode
was awesome and I would have been happy with that particular conclusion. Another thing Heller said is that we
can trust the list of 7 suspects, meaning our Red John is on that list. If you crosscheck that list of 7 with
the list of 5 suspects from the end of season 3 there is only 1 common
name. The season 3 list
doesn’t imply Red John, but it does imply someone working for Red John at the
least. He also said that
Red John killed Brett Partridge, so this is a good time to go into that.
Red John aka Roy Tagliaferro… aka Brett Partridge? I say possible, if his death was faked
then yet a second alias of our serial killer has disappeared. This doesn’t mean that the man we know
as Brett Partridge is gone, just that Bruno Heller wants to be cryptic and not
have to admit the death was faked, so he can say it in a way that can be
interpreted as the name being killed off. It would make for an exciting ending,
but we’re being led to believe that Red John was in the room with the other 4
suspects and Patrick Jane at the end of Fire and Brimstone. Ray
Haffner was supposedly ruled out last episode as well by not having a tattoo,
but I saw it posted that the lady who identified the tattoo might have seen a
fake one on Ray Haffner’s arm at the gym. If I remember correctly, when we see
him lifting weights, he’s in a muscle shirt, implying that he typically works
out that way, and I can’t think of another moment when he would have made that
tattoo visible to the private investigator. Ray Haffner, however, seems to have
only recently come into money, and Red John has way too many resources at his
disposal to have ever not been well off. Haffner is stated saying something
along the lines of “I’ve got money now that my private surveillance company has
taken off.” It can also be
deduced that his startup money came from visualize and in very recent years
after Jane had him basically booted out of the CBI, and I think this discredits
him as Red John from previous years.
There are a few things I want to clear up, you
don’t have to agree:
1) Even
though we know Red John speaks softly, it would be too obvious of a clue to let
us hear Red John and compare his voice to the actors/suspects. From what I can hear, Simon Baker has
done his voice as well as the actor who plays Brett Partridge. Red John had to have a voice… and at
the time of his first appearance, Bruno Heller has basically confirmed that
nobody but he himself knew who Red John would be until recently, and even then
only those that needed to know.
2) If
I remember correctly, the recording from the psychiatrist only said that Red
John had a phobia… it didn’t say acrophobia, arachnophobia, or acarophobia,
people got that from Lisbon saying she said he was afraid of heights and saying
that acrophobia sounds like the other 2… these are red herrings, the initial
clue did not specify a phobia.
3) Red
John has to have 2 different personalities, if he showed himself as the
soft-spoken serial killer in his regular day to day life, he would have already
been found. When we see
Reede Smith’s temper, we can’t consider that a rule out, although I believe he
is only acting as a close advocate and wants to help protect Red John’s
identity when he starts to draw his gun on Jane. Red John would have a more confident
less revealing way out than firing at Jane and the other suspects who don’t
know who he is… in fact… he apparently brought a bomb, unless that was Jane’s
doing which would explain his final walk around his house before the suspects
showed up.
4) Along
the same lines as my third point, we never had to see who Jane shook hands
with, if he put them in his book of suspects, I can guarandamntee you he shook
their hand and believes they match (well enough) any physical description that
was given at least to the point that he couldn’t rule them out.
5) Just
because Brett Stiles is old doesn’t mean he wasn’t at the farm all those years
ago. If you’ve ever been to
a farm, there are typically older men who own everything and younger men who do
all the work, and as the leader of visualize, he would have been there anyway,
so his age is irrelevant. The
rest of them could be argued as young enough at the time, and since Jane had
them on the list, he must have believed so too.
6) I
know everything is saying that the moment when Reede Smith and the van driver
both say Tyger Tyger to each other is really corny, and I thought so at first…
but after reading around on this sight, someone mentioned that Tyger Tyger
might be something people in the group say when what they did was for the
greater good. Most of them
are law enforcement, if not all of them, so Reede Smith (who is noted as a good
agent who never does anything wrong) may be saying it sarcastically which would
have the same meaning as if you were sighing and saying it as though you were
contemplating if you really believed it was for the greater good. This gives that moment more meaning
and in my opinion takes away the corny factor at least to some degree. It also makes that moment have actual
meaning, and in that case it would mean that Kirkland was getting too close and
would provide Jane with information that would get him closer to Red John
faster. Any member of the
organization would believe that protecting Red John was for the greater good
because what he is doing transcends our version of reality. It helps to go back and look at the
moments when people, including Red John, say Tyger Tyger, and apply the
“greater good” concept.
Anyway, like I said, I believe Bertram is our guy. I think the fact that we’ve gone
through several CBI directors so quickly but have been able to hold onto
Bertram shows that the Tyger Tyger powers that be pulled some strings and were
able to push him into a close position to Jane where he could surveil Jane
himself. The secret
organization clarifies a lot of suspicions of how Red John can operate and move
around so easily, provided he is part of it or in charge of it. If he is part of it, it helps to
explain why he never seems to be caught even though several of his suspects are
so close to death when Jane shows up that he can’t have gotten very far, (ie:
the lady in the Red Tattoo who just so happens to hold on long enough to
whisper to Jane and then die… if she was in that bad of condition, Red John
would have to be closeby.) I’ve
made this long enough… if you took the time to read it, thank you! I can’t wait to hear what holes people
can poke in all of this.
I thought that they were throwing random clues out until I saw this. This has to be Patrick's Plan. Jane you sneaaaaaky, clever man!
http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/9300