Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Walter Mashburn - Fits all the given clues, while rich and able to exert influence he would have limitations where money isn't the soul power, this would explain how Bret Stiles could have info about his doings and feel now fear of giving them out as he would be an equal and possibly bigger organization. My view is that I see alot of good writing possibilities around him being RJ and I think he is a developed enough character to fill the role but not be disappointing as RJ. 

Bret Stiles - as stated above he seems to have indicated that He is aware and knowledgeable of RJ and his organization but that Jane and RJ game is small time and a bit childish, this could be to throw jane off his scent but with Stiles also being Older and I don't believe he and Jane have been seen shacking hands when they met.
I think from a writing standpoint if Stiles is to be RJ then RJ would be an organization with multiple people doing the deeds of RJ, I think this could be well written but could also be a bit of a disappointment.
CBI Ron/Background Character - While I have no evidence that they are not RJ from a writing stand point I would hope that we aren't given RJ as out of the blue, I'm very much expect and hope that when Bruno Heller compares RJ to Moriarty it infers that we will know RJ as a character in some fashion and not just a face. 

Any of the Women on the show - RJ is consistently by those who speek about him as a man, and RJ seems to have a way with women and an ability to sway them, I just don't see this as possibility. I don't see how to write away for any of them that seems overly plausible or that won't disappoint. 

Brett Partridge-I get the since that RJ had his eye on Jane from the very begining (im basing this on the sceen with Alexa Shultz talking to Kirkland in the limo at the start of Janes carrer.) When Jane meets Partridge the do not like each other, do not shake hands, and I feel like RJ would never be so brash and unlikeable even for appearance sake. Plus It would just be disappointing if thats how the write it, even with filler information about the character.

Kirkland - I say no, strictly because too obvious and he met jane after Loreli was in Jail so she would have know they had met. 

bertrem/laroche/minelli - Mostly I put these as not viable because of the way they have been portrayed in the show, while they have a few clues to support them, they have all worked closely with jane and seem to be able to be manipulated by jane. Plus I just frankly would be disappointed to see them as RJ.

After Thoughts - Scenes that make me why?

Whats with the Poker game, it seems way to prominent and a bit unnecessary even for the episode where Lisbon used her connection to get a warrant. Plus Bertrim seemed to be taken aback when Lisbon was there.

Of course the Limo scene with Kirkland and Schultz, it seems way to obviously a clue and like they are just flat out telling you they have some nefarious agenda. I will say that it bumped up the idea that maybe there are more than one secret organizations at work here or having a power struggle and Jane is seen as a way to resolve the conflict.



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This is a completely valid theory.

Why on Earth is this man ALWAYS present whenever there a case that looks like a Red John case… But in the end turns out to not be? And, he seems to piss Jane off… Never saw a handshake, but, it's still a valid theory.

Sincerely,

DR JOE NH


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it is clear that red john is gonna someone that we dont expect. i know it would sound weird, but it will be someone with basically the same dangerous personality as Benjamin Marx. i also think that osvaldo ardiles has a lot of secrets, regarding the farling case, that we will soon know more about. other characters to take into account. bob kirkland and Susan Darcy.

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I'll start just by saying that I'm not going to pretend that i know who RJ is.  I'm just going to spitball a bunch of ideas/theories and see what you guys think.
Do you guys make anything of the last episode seeming to put an emphasis on Patrick urging Lisbon to "bend the rules"?  It seemed to me like they were trying to make that be something important for the future.  Like maybe Patrick is gradually going to try and get Lisbon to break more and more rules so that they can catch RJ or something.  Maybe it didn't mean anything, but it just seemed like they were trying to highlight that.

My thoughts on Kirkland:  I have a feeling that Kirkland will be one of those guys who will be thought of as a bad guy until the very end when we find out that he is an integral  part of catching Red John and helping Patrick.  I think he will be very secretive, they'll make him seem like he is plotting against Patrick, but then he turns out to be a friend who was only trying to keep up with the investigation and help Patrick, but had to be secretive so that Red John wouldn't find out...or somewhere along those lines...

My thoughts on Mashburn:  Obviously, a lot of Mashburn's traits line up with Red John (money, manipulation, intelligence, connections, some personality traits...).  A couple of things bother me with Mashburn being Red John though.  I think Mashburn is a little too obvious to be RJ, first of all.  Secondly, Lorelei wondered why Patrick and RJ didn't become fast friends, but Patrick and Mashburn have spent a decent amount of time together and had fun together, so that seems a little off...Another thing that would bother me about Mashburn being RJ is just that I don't think the actor playing Mashburn can really pull off being a "bad guy" if you can understand what I'm saying...He just doesn't seem like the serial killer type.  Now, you could say that my reasoning would make him a great RJ because you don't suspect somebody like that to be a killer, but still, i just wouldn't like it.

My thoughts on Stiles:  Bret Stiles, I think, is a perfect "bad guy" unlike Mashburn's character...Unfortunately, I think that he is also wayyy to obvious of a pick to be RJ.  Maybe I'm looking too much into it by thinking these guys are obvious, but I don't know.   I liked somebody else's theory that maybe RJ is a visualize member and that Bret has seen his video confessions about killing.  I think that would be a good storyline, and it doesn't seem too obvious.

Thoughts on Patrick:  Before finding this website, I had thought about "what if RJ is Patrick"?  I've gone through many scenarios of how it could be him...A few are possible, but I would HATE if Patrick turned out to be RJ, so I hope its not him...One thing I was just thinking about was:  what if Patrick really was RJ and Kirkland knew about it, and thats why they had the whole handshake/"I know YOU" thing because Kirkland KNOWS that Patrick is RJ, but still hasn't got enough evidence...and so while all of the fans think that Patrick is hunting Kirkland as RJ, it turns out that Kirkland is actually hunting Patrick because HE is the real RJ...I don't actually think that will be the case, but I just thought I'd throw that out there...

Max Winter:  I think that Max Winter could be a good choice for RJ.  He can definitely pull of the "is he good or bad" thing because that's what his character on the show "Heroes" was.  He was trying to do good, but a lot of the time, he did more bad than good...You didn't really know what to think of him.  I think he can definitely pull off being a bad guy, he's not toooo obvious, and there are tangible facts that can point to him being RJ (wedding ring, marksman, smart, manipulative, probably has the money to do all of it, etc)...Max is definitely one of the few people who I wouldn't be disappointed with being Red John.

Women:  forgive me if this sounds sexist or whatever, but I don't think that Red John is a woman, so I wont analyze any of them as possible RJ's, but I will say that I'm sure there are a few women characters that we know who will turn out to be RJ accomplices.  Grace Van Pelt is definitely a possible RJ helper along with Darcy and Brenda (the red heads)

Brett Partridge:  ehhhhh...I don't know what to think of Partridge...I think the whole "blood spatter serial killer" belongs to Dexter and that would be kind of lame is RJ was the same thing.  He could definitely be linked to RJ, but I tend to think that he is not the actual RJ.

Bertram:  Can't really see RJ being Bertram...a pawn of RJ, maybe, but not RJ himself...he seems a little too weak to be RJ.  I can definitely see Bertram as being somebody who doesn't want to help RJ, but has no choice sort of thing, like a helpless pawn....

Laroche:  I would be a little disappointed if JJ was Red John...I just can't picture a man of that size running down women and killing them the way RJ does...

Cho/Rigsby:  Can't really see either of them being RJ...neither of their characters really seem like they could pull it off...I don't think it would make for a good story or be that clever if it was one of them...I think they're both really trying to help.

All that being said...My best guess would probably be that Max Winter is Red John
What do you guys think about all of my ideas?

By the way, is anybody else as disappointed with season 5 as I am?  Every week I keep thinking "ok, this week is going to mean something and talk about RJ, but then every week I end up disappointed..."

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"BOB KIRKLAND" - with "Homeland Security" - Enters Season 5, Episode 7 @ 39 minutes and 30 Seconds

Reasons: 

First & foremost, he obviously (to me) stood out as a creepy character, shady, etc. Check.

Next, he bumps into Patrick Jane after telling Lisbon to "back off" of Vulcar, which is ODD, that part of Season 5, Episode 7. 
AT 39 minutes and 30 Seconds enters R.J. Watch it. At 40 minutes 58 seconds he bumps into Patrick Jane, saying in a quiet, soft voice, "Oops, sorry Mr. Jane" - not Agent Jane, where as he refers to Lis-BON (pronounces her name wrong" as an Agent - OK so how did Bob know this?

Jane says, "Do I know you?" Bob Kirkland says, "No, but I know you". OK, so "Bob" & Jane shake hands - 

Like most of you, I also have watched MANY episodes - this guy stands out heavily:
black hair, just under 6 ft., not too muscular, higher, soft voice, obviously a man of power and obviously a threatening character on the show; though, he only needs 2 minutes to prove it; so yeah, this Bob Kirkland guy can just walk into the CBI and have a word with "Lis-BON" - clever mistake of pronunciation to throw the audience off - come'on, R.J. has to be someone Jane has shaken hands with otherwise that whole "thing" - with Loreli Martins, the shaking of the hand being SO relevant, you know - otherwise it is just stupid for bringing it up... and, so, furthermore, we should take it seriously - if we do - then we can say that NOT many people with black hair that have that build that also have a soft, high-pitch voice (at times) whom also have "power/what it takes to be R.J., etc. HAVE shaken Jane's hand, so maybe it is him? 
****the black hair really stands out, and his height, again I am being redundant - but - the fact that L.Martins tells Jane he did in fact shake R.J's hand, in this Season (5) , and Jane indeed does shake Bob's hand , you know - the simplest answer is right there in front of you right there, OR NOT...?

So, It's just my guess. AND, it's funny he is not available to select on this Site, to "accuse" - WHY NOT ? 
Because he very well could be... R.J. 
We, as an audience, are meant to believe we have seen him and so has Jane... OK, so back to Bob Kirkland: why is sticking up for this powerful Vulcar guy, a total sadist with GREAT power, yes exactly, why is he, because they have a connection and possibly, Vulcar is a liability to R.J. IF Vulcar is brought to justice ALIVE - but he gets killed - in the LATEST episode - just when the show is wrapping up, maybe (?) , OK so the writers bring in a description that matches R.J., blah blah... I have said my piece, sorry if its poorly written, I went back to get some of the time frames from the EPISODE in which R.J. appears and it threw off my ranting, ha. AND, I don't feel like editing it.

Just a guess..........R.J. is KIRKLAND, why, watch that clip, don't bother with the whole episode, he (Bob) appears at the end for no FN reason, I don't even know why he came into Lis-BON's office, you know? They needed to plug in R.J. ----- so they use a home-land security dude; a guy that in concerned with a VERY powerful man, again, Vulgar, I'm sure in this series we will see that both men are sadistic, evil and haveTONS of power - and being involved in National Security - perfect for getting into the FBI, or CBI for that matter, 

So for these reasons I select this guy based on the most simplest of terms with this show, and the fact that they seem like they will wrap it up within Season 5 or Season 6 - I'm betting Season 6 OR maybe 7. 

But they DID expose him, like as-promised... why else would the writers have L.Martins bring up the fact that they shook hands... to give the audience this interest that we are all talking about...right, so - is this IS R.J...? 

Here's what I'd like to know...
I'd like to know WHY (Bob Kirkland) can't be R.J.... his moment on the show was brief, but he DID one thing that was HUGE in that brief moment, he stuck up for a powerful, sadistic man (Vulcar) , threatened Lisbon and shook Jane's hand and told Jane he knew of him, but Jane obviously never met him. 

All in what, 2 minutes? Nice theory? I dunno... it's mine... for now.

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Theory #1099 • By aleksa
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I know, that is SF, but, can RJ be  his ( PJ)  "death" wife ?

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Theory #1097 • By GMWendy
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I have no theory but I red an interview with Bruno Heller and he said we will be disapointed if we know who's Red John. So I guess it's Jane. :-(

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