The latest theories about Red John's identity (page 954)

Am I really supposed to believe that Red John bombed Patrick's house? The time between Patrick's gunshot and the bomb being set off is quite long (How long... I do not know). Then Teresa co-incidentally arrives on the scene. And Bertram and Reede conveniently escape, and the other 3 people are dead- blown to bits. And through all this, Patrick is almost fine and kicking in the next episode?... That would be worse writing than a very essential "fake death."

And I'm supposed to believe Gale Bertram is Red John, as Patrick announces next episode to the media. And I'm supposed to believe Reede Smith, who is caught next episode, is RJ's friend, so he spared him in the bomb blast? Yet he decides its fun to blow up Bret Stiles, the leader of the source of his followers. Heck, I'm supposed to believe Bret Stiles, McAllister and Haffner are even dead?

If Bertram is RJ, who the hell is he calling in fire and brimstone?

I'm supposed to believe, the "educated" brother Robert Kirkland, can't read? "Agent Lisbawn," seriously? And that Robert Kirkland is capable of forgetting all about Tyger Tyger and gains a beer belly in max 3 days in prison before Smith shoots him? And that Robert who tortures people for information on Red John, suddenly kills Jason lennon and calls him a friend?

Am I really "reaching" when I say Reede Smith shot Michael Kirkland?

Am I really "reaching" when I say Bertram, Smith and McAllister are good guys on the inside of Tyger Tyger- the subject of their meeting was "a clean up" and "tracking the arrests"? Law enforcement clean up? Am I reaching when I say Robert Kirkland and Gale Bertram are having a conversation after Patrick invites him to his house.

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Theory #11097 • By whatIF

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What if Red John tells Jane that he is really Red John but he did not kill his family before he dies?

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I woke up this morning and suddenly I was a 100% sure that Red John will not be one of the three with the tattoos. I just know it. Just think about it. If it's one of the 3, we will all be yawning. There's no excitement, no shock factor. Is this really the big reveal? For 6 seasons we've been waiting and it will really just be as boring as this? No.

Red John has to be one of the "dead" ones (Kirkland or Partridge), or Stiles or Haffner.

Stiles has the shock factor because he has been friendly with PJ and helping him, so it would be a bit of a surprise that all this time he was the one that killed his family.

With Haffner, even though he was popular as a suspect a few weeks ago, people have given up on him slightly. He seems to be superficial, cares about money, PJ doesn't think highly of him. So he would be more surprising too than the 3 with the tattoos.

It feels like the writers are putting it in our head that RJ must be one of the three. But if he is, we're going to fall asleep during the Red John episode. I'm putting my trust into the writers and hoping they are not gonna be that predictable.

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Last week I posted my guess/theory on who the serial killer might be. Since CBS messed up with the broadcast of episode 122 (extremely disrespectful to all fans and viewers) not all were able to see it. The theory has received an 84% plausibe against a 16% unlikely week vote. =)

As I said, I have watched in the past month all 122 episodes. This week I have rewatched all Red John related episodes including those where any of the final suspects show up. I have also taken into acount some of the theories I have read over here (A lot of thinking out there) while rewatching. =)

Two considerations: First, this is a fictional police procedural series. So the producers and writers can end up this case any way they like. Second, my guess is only based on the 122 episodes aired until now. I do not stop reading a book in the middle of it, to read others, to then guess how the first one ends. A great story must explain itself. =)

My guess: Partridge appears in the very first episode (S01E01) describing a copycat crime scene as Red John´s. Patrick calls him ghoul, irksome, fangoria fan. I will give you that, he is a special character in the show, but only that. He is killed (S06E01) and dies telling Lisbon "tyger-tyger" (No, lisbon does not belong to the clan, and no, either she has a tattoo) Patrick tells Lisbon his blood was used to draw a smile on her face (S06E02) Partridge is the perfect cover up member, as a forensic agent, for the crimes committed by the Law Enforcement Mafia.

McAllister loses infinite times rock paper scissors to Patrick (A very funny scene S01E02) Red John is so damn clever, so he said. McAllister is revealed to have the tattoo thus being a member of the Law Enforcement Mafia (S06E06).

Kirkland is killed in the Red Listed episode (S06E04) by Smith who we know now is part of the organization (S06E04 and S06E06) Besides in The Crimson Ticket (S05E01) Smith is played and heated up by Patrick making him confront Cho, even fighting him. So, Kirkland the creepy character reveals us many things before he dies. There is a Law Enforcement Mafia. He has a twin brother. His brother is a Red John´s accomplice (S05E18). Red John requested Kirkland´s twin brother devotion and sacrifice (S06E04). He is also after Red John.

Bertram, he who is many things to many people, is part of the Law Enforcement Mafia (S06E01 S06E02 S06E06) He also is a very special character of the show, but not Red John.

The weird man/woman (S06E02) feeding the pigeons. If it is suposed to be a clue this happens right after Patrick meets Bertram, McAllister and Smith (the great red dragon) so must be related to Red John. Not afraid of pigeons. He personally killed Partridge. He is close, very close, in desguise. =)

All this leaves me with a question when Bret Stiles promises he will return (S06E06): How does Michael Kirkland look today?

Theory #9511 • By Totally engaged =)
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I have watched in the past month all 122 episodes, which makes me a serious Mentaddict. =)
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-Spoiler for those who did not watched "Fire and Brimstone"-
At the end of the episode the 5 remaining suspects are separated into two groups. Those who have the tattoo(3) and those who do not(2).

Episode 123 is called "The Great Red Dragon" where the law enforcement mafia will be revealed. Then the three tattooed suspects will be discarted.

Episode 124, "Red John" one of the remaining two will be revealed as the serial killer.
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Ok, I believe that is the storyline of the series.

Bret Stiles will be revealed as Red John "the mind" and Michael Kirkland "the body".

My guess: The law enforcement mafia has used Red John as a cover up for commiting some crimes. The day Red John saves Patrick revealing the tyger tyger poem, he needs Jane´s help. Red John feeds him to help him uncover the mafia who are using his signature to commit some crimes. Being Brett Partridge the ideal member to cover up the leads. Red John kills him first as a call to the mafia "I know who you are and I am after you". Reason why they really need to find him first. They need to shut him up before Red John reveals not all the murders where commited by himself nor his accomplice. Red John loves Patrick as a father-son love. He killed his wife and daughter not to punish him but to convert him into a killer, which he already has by killing Red John´s bait.
Michael Kirkland "the body" is Red John, or if you want to see it in another way, he is Red John´s main assasin. He fits in size and description to most leads given. Bret Stiles "the mind" is Red John. He fits all the cleverness to be always ahead of Patrick.

Well, in two weeks we will see, until then... =)

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the last sneak peek from CBS
http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/the-mentalist-episode-607-great-red_13.html
look carefully at haffner

first he was sitting on Stiles right hand and than on his left next to the door

After whay teresa told him about Jane thinking he's RJ he tries to escape when PJ turns his back but Patrick saw him and shot to make him sitdown again, that was the shot we heard before lisbon came and everything exploded.

when first we saw the five suspects sitting McAllister had his hat with him on the couch with his hand always on it. when PJ asked him to move with others the hat remains in it's place.
was there anything Inside it,, after all why bring his hat with him he could've kept it in his car.

in E08 we'll see a Young actor Nick nordella,, i think hell play Mcallister's role,, the resemblance is too much, secially the dimple chin they both have. no any other blue eyed suspect has it.

i'll keep my theory that this Young actor will play a role in PJ's past,

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take a look guys at the last sneak peek.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/the-mentalist-episode-607-great-red_13.html

look at haffner, first hi was sitting on stiles right hand and then on stiles left hand next to the door,
i think he tried to escape after what lisbon told him; that PJ thinks he's is RJ.
so PJ fired the shot we heard, to make him sit down again.
we still have to know what happens few minutes later before lisbon arrives and everything explode.

i personaly think that the young actor nick nordella that we're going to see in E08 will play the roll of McAllister only because of the cleft chin (the dimple in the chin) they both have, and no other blue eyed suspect has it. and more, before the explosion McAllister kept his hat on the couch with his hand on it first, i doupt there was any explosive in it but it's just a remark, he could've kept it in his car at night.

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Take away all the bells, whistles, sub plots, red herrings,
mental tricks, false clues and irksome hints that have littered the storyline in
Season 6 thus far and what do you get?

Red John and Patrick Jane are entering the ‘end game’ phase
of a duel; a game; a challenge that started way back.

Both of these characters have been plotting, scheming,
outwitting, outlasting and outthinking each other in a back and forth manner for
years.

Almost like a version of ‘Mental
Survivor’.

This should make it clear that Season 6 is nothing more than
a culmination of the mental game of dexterity between the 2 is coming to its
end. With two such ‘brilliant’ minds in
play, I’m almost certain this ‘end game plotting and planning by BOTH’ started
the minute Patrick Jane refused ‘Red John’s’ friendship. Not suddenly in last
season’s finale.

They both have different desired outcomes of course to the ‘end
game’ – but to think that both of them have suddenly been spurred into action
to rush along these events, is not giving either ones intellect enough credit.

Red John leaving a clue about a tattoo to reveal his
identity? Honestly? – Not a chance, part of his long term planning nothing
more.

Patrick Jane believing the tattoo clue and running with it?
Honestly? – Not a chance, it’s Jane ‘returning serve’ to Red John.

This tennis game started in Season 5 (in earnest), which is
when I believe Patrick Jane identified Red John. He obviously had to knit a web
of intrigue and lies (lists and handshakes and utterly ridiculous assumptions)
in order to draw Red John out in a manner of HIS (Jane’s choosing). I have always thought that he would get red
John to come to him, in the same way Red John came to him way back – through insulting
him, belittling him or making him seem inferior in the media. See next episode
when Jane (IMO) reveals the name Reed Smith as Red John, in order to piss red
John off seriously. Then Red John will come out to play.

Even though Red John has been meticulously planning and
plotting his own ‘end game’ – which was supposed to be the glorious death of
all with a bomb, and a clean getaway for him.

The need to show himself as the
TRUE Red John (to Patrick) will overcome all his ‘best laid plans’.

Why wouldn’t he just get the hell out of Dodge?
Because what
do we REALLY know about Red John? Not the useless bits of info others have
given (Rosalind etc) which could or could NOT be reliable – but the information
Red John HIMSELF has given us.

1.
We know he hates to be belittled in the media,
and made to look like a regular fool. We also know he can’t ignore this – he is
driven to act by his very nature.
2.
We know he hates imitation and people who ‘pretend’
to be him – once more he is driven to act by his very nature.

3.
We know he thinks he is smarter than Patrick. He
says as much in the Lorelei video. He calls Patrick ‘lucky’ and himself ‘clever’
for revealing the names. While we know he ‘likes’ Jane as an adversary (simply
because Jane is the 1st person he has ever met who provides a
challenge to him and who is of similar mental intelligence), BEATING Jane in
this game is still very important to him. But driving him here is not so much
the beating – it’s making sure Patrick KNOWS he has been beaten by a ‘superior
intelligence’.

So using that, one can almost SEE Patrick's plans, (that he
put into play the minute he knew who Red John was in Season 5) laid out in
front of us. The bomb might have thrown him off course, BUT it was a positive
sign that Red John has ‘bought into’ Patrick’s plan. He’s got him on a hook
now.

He has simply used what he DOES know as FACT about red John’s
psyche, to trap the man – and then deal with him – alone.
Patrick will not ‘share’ Red John with
anyone.

“Red John is MINE”

Bob Kirkland will be back as I theorized yesterday. Patrick
will announce Reed Smith as Red John to the media, infuriating Red John. While
Red John ‘knows’ he should use this as an ‘out’ and run – his ego won’t allow
it. The desperation to show Patrick how ‘wrong he is’ brings him into the open. RJ is going to be one pissed off puppy; but
he’s also going to want to brag a little in between as to how cleverly he
fooled ‘Patrick’.

Sadly for RJ – PJ is counting on this.

Killing a man already dead, burying the body and telling
no-one who the real Red John is = PRICELESS. (And RJ’s worst nightmare)

***long post again – sorry – but if these characters were
mine, this is what both of them would be doing, because it’s a true reflection
of their psyches and intellect and to be honest, both characters deserve a little
more credit than what is currently being given them – silly clues, tattoo reveals
etc. We need to stop thinking like TV viewers and keystone cops, and start
thinking like Jane and Red John - it has been a marathon, not a sprint**

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