The latest theories about Red John's identity (page 972)

For those of you who still believe in the list of 7,how do you explain Red John predicting the list? Nobody is psychic.............that's basic common sense. I believe the tyger tyger group is actually hunting Red John themselves. RJ probably was a member of the group and is no longer affiliated with them. Hence they are after him for keeping him quite ever since he left.

From past episodes we know that Patrick was being spied on for 8 years on suspicion of working with Red John himself by the FBI !! The only explanation is Patrick and RJ made the list of 7 together,then RJ made the video with lorelai in advance so they can send it to patrick ( All of this to fool the CBI ). Red John probably didn't even kill patricks family............. the tyger tyger group did to make it seem like red john did it. Patrick is obviously too smart for that since he knows RJ won't touch him or his family.

All in all,Patrick was not a good man before his family died and i believe he and RJ are both hunting the tyger tyger group. No other explanation comes to mind.

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I'm not totally saying it's Partridge... I've read that lots of people hate zombie theories about Brett. I only want to focus on what we know about RJ.
We assume that, like Patrick says, Roy Tagliaferro and Red John are the same person. Ok, so Rosalind Harker made a description of Roy. We can trust or not, but Patrick seems to trust her, since he asks her if Timothy Carter is Roy.The description says that Roy Tagliaferro is just under 6 feet tall, short straight hair, not muscolar, but not even soft, strong hands. Like I said we can trust or not this description, cause Rosalind is blind and above all she is fond of Roy.Then we can suppose to have seen him in the eighth episode of the second season, when Rebecca died with the poison and she smiled as a dreamer when she sees that man. We can suppose he is Red John. He has short dark hair and a desordered walk.In 2x23 we hear his voice for the first time. He modified his voice, but it doesn't seem a deep voice. Maybe a nasal voice.We know that Red John is related with Visualize. He worked in the farm in 1988. The priest said that a Young guy made the smile in the farm. So we can assume that now Red John is 45 or max 50.We had another description by Sophie Miller. Red John is a phobic. He's middle aged, good health, no family but many friends, great speaker, good posture and excellent whistler.And above all, we know he shook hands with Patrick. So...Brett Partridge: I admit it... I think he could be perfect. He fits Rosalind description, with the voice... He's intelligent, even if he seems a fool, cause he talked about Dickens and other stuff... I think he could hide a hidden personality. He died in 6x01. I'm not going to talk about zombie theories xD, but would it really be strange if Partridge faked his Death with the help of Tiger Tiger or all his friends? I don't understand why many of you think it could be so strange. It could be plausible. I love Jack Plotnick as an actor and I would be ok if Partridge didn't die.
Gale Bertram: No similar voice, no short straight hair. I think he's too tall. He calls someone in the 6x06 to inform about Jane's plan. Smith argued with him about what Jane knows in 6x02. I think he would be one of the worse Red John (my opionion).
Reede Smith: I like very much Drew Powell, but I wouldn't like him as Red John. He's a little bit too fat, way too tall and also quite Young. And I don't like the fact that he appeared in season 5. I would like that Red John was there also in the first seasons.
Ray Haffner: Good points for him. He fits with the description. He has the phobia of spiders. Good looking enouth to charm people, above all girls. The voice doesn't really fits. I think he's a bit too weak. But I support Partridge XD, so also Haffner could hide another personality. Perfect age and member of Visualize. He doesn't have the tattoo, but we have to study better the meaning of the tattoo. Maybe Tiger Tiger have the tattoo and not Red John.
Bret Stiles: Talking about personality... he would be perfect. Not really fitting with the description and with the voice, but I would accept it, beacause of the great carisma of the character. But... he's way too too old. He could be the father or better the mentor of Red John.
Bob Kirkland: He also died in 6x04. But he was kinda perfect for the description and the voice. And Kevin Corrigan made a great great work to describe the crazyness of the character. But he was a "good guy". I don't exclude the twin Brother. Maybe the person who saved him was Stiles and not Red John. But... Michael didn't shake the hands with Patrick.
Thomas McAllister: Xander Berkeley is sooo cool ahahah. I love all the Actors. The voice is too deep, but phisically he could be ok (not with the colour of the hair). I would accept him as Red John, but I think he's only a Tiger Tiger.
So... I would accept everyone but Bertram and Smith ahahah. But they seem to be the remaining suspects :( .
A question... why Red John would have put the bomb in the house if he was there too? He could have died in the explosion. Ok the theatrical part, but it would have been too Dangerous even for Red John being in that house.

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Canadian promo for The Great Red Dragon: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xeVAlXOeVQ4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxeVAlXOeVQ4

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Ok, I have a really short theory.

The only person who knew a single name on the list was Teresa Lisbon in Red John's Rules. Patrick tells her Gale Bertram is on the list. But why does Patrick stop there? Because Roddy Turner shows up and Jane needs to finish his trick. Otherwise, we can safely assume Patrick would have told Lisbon all 7 names on the list. Jane does his finish his trick though. And off-camera he tells Lisbon the rest of the names. I mean, why wouldn't he? It would be completely retarded to think he says 1 name randomly, then stops and Lisbon is satisfied and stops pestering him.

Then the woman who stole the baby arrives in the dead of night. What took her so long? RJ was making the video with Lorelei, AS Jane and Lisbon were waiting in the house. That's right, Lorelei Martins is still alive. So how did Red John get the names? He heard them at the same time as Teresa, as Lisbon was bugged.

Proof: On Sunday, you'll see Lorelei alive and well in Great Red Dragon. Lisbon stupidly confides information in her thinking she's reformed, but it turns out that Lorelei is still a devoted Red John follower.

Spoiler: Brett Partridge is Red John - no I'm not explaining it

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Theory #11287 • By darthpoet

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Actually, when Kirkland shook hands with Jane (inthe SAME episode that Loreli said that), Patrick said "have we met before" and Kirkland said no.

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I had forgotten that when Lorelei tried to broker RJ's offer of friendship, Jane's test was to bring to RJ Lisbon's head as a sign of friendship. That kind of stifles any notions that he left Lisbon alive in S06 E01 because he was fond of her. Yet, then he severed the head of Sophie.

I know there's a connection, just a little puzzled. Thoughts?

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Here is my theory. Please read all.

I improved my previous theory.

I think CBI Ron is real Robert Kirkland and he is Red John. At the Red Barn, Robert finds his twin brother Michael who tries to get rid of his alcohol issue, but now he becomes a drug addicted. Robert kills the other members of the Visualise. The problem is now how to prevent the Visualise from killing Michael. Michael is the weaker sibling and cannot survive against the Visualise. The twins switches their identities. Then real Robert disappears and Michael (now Robert) hears no news from his brother. What Michael does not know that his brother had a plastic surgery and changed his face and identity. That is why he did not kill anybody for a decade.Because creating a best identity theft takes years (in one episode an Irish guy who creates fake identities told so). Maybe during these years he kills under different alias like Roy. After a decade, he becomes CBI (R)ed j(O)h(N). This also explains why he is not on the list. because his fake identity does not fit the Red John case so Jane eliminates him.

This theory explains many things.

He is there from the beginning.

He is like Waldo.

He is really on the list (Real Robert Kirkland)

He fits the expression of Simon Baker. ( He told the interview it is like killing a family member). Unlike the seven suspects, Ron has been there in many episodes from the beginning.

He is close to Jane and the investigation.

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He is mar. He is (M)ichael (A)ka (R)obert

Examine carefully Robert Kirkland (actually Michael). He has self-control issue and shaking hands. He is an old addict. He was desperately looking for Robert. That is why he ask people "do you recognise me?". He wanted to know if they had met Robert. He did not know for sure that Robert is Red John or his tool killed by Red John. He actually brought those people to his own cabin.

Ron had a phone at his hand when Jane came to the CBI at the end of episode one of season six. Then he called his accomplice who killed Partridge and while his accomplice was drawing his mark on Lisbon's face, he spoke to Jane through his accomplice' and Lisbon's phones. He kept it short because he did not want Jane to understand he was talking to him through two phones. In this way, he also eliminates himself as a Red John suspect in the eye of Patrick and many viewers. However, we know Red John tricked Jane before in this way (Think about Wainwright in the limo). Besides, when Jane staged the fake death of Rigsby, who were there with Wainwright? Ron and Karl. He could easily kidnap Wainwright and trap Jane. He is a good observant like Jane. He can easily notice that man is not Rigsby.

When Tyger Tyger killed his brother (They did not know the real identity of Red John and Kirkland is his brother), he gave tattoo clue to Jane to led him to kill the group members who are also Red John suspects (Bertram, McAllister and Smith) or he led Jane to bring all suspects together and wanted to get rid of them all together if he is the one who planted the bomb. In this way, he would kill both his brother's killers and the Visualise leader that is after him because of the Red Barn incident.

Lastly, I think Ray Haffner is the accomplice of Red John. he has a problematic childhood. He told so. He has also interest in Lisbon. He is a good tool for Red John. Red John always offers his accomplices the things they do not have. (As we know he offers the accomplice the girl he loves, in another case, he gives the baby) I think Haffner is obsessed with Lisbon and helping Red John to get Lisbon. It was Haffner who killed the fake Red John killers and saved Jane. Ron (real Red John) spoke Jane through the phone. He is also the one who drew the mark on Lisbon's face. If Red John is the one who planted the bomb at Jane's house, he also wanted to kill Haffner because he knows him. Red John has no friends, only tools. I really wonder what would happen to Haffner if Red John put the bomb.

After the loss of his brother and cleaning in the California Law Enforcement, he will desperately seek the friendship of Jane. then, bang! Bang!

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