Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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My intention is not to trick you. You must understand that.



Episode 6: I am Mystical Magic Man from Candy Land here to rain Sugary Spoilers.

Jane take's Lisbon's phone because its bugged, (he takes it during the hug.)

Then Patrick uses a shotgun to shoot noone in his house. Only one gunshot is heard because Ray Haffner has the vertical tattoo. When Ray showed his shoulder, he concealed it.  The phone is still in the car, so Red John thinks Patrick has shot Haffner. That's why the screen goes outside. To show it can be heard in the bugged phone. But Patrick doesn't actually shoot Haffner. The 3 people with the tattoos, are working for Robert Kirkland. They are actually undercover agents in law-enforcement clean up.

In season 2, Robert Kirkland meets with Minelli. After the conversation, Minelli retires, as the new boss is undercover, and planted by Robert Kirkland. Gale Bertram is undercover in "Tyger, Tyger," which is a law-enforcement conspiracy headed by Red John. They both agree, Bertram is more useful as head of CBI, as he can feed back more information on Tyger Tyger, as he is in a higher position, he can learn more.

And yes, Reede Smith shot Michael Kirkland... it's so obvious.. beer belly, a complete lack of knowledge on the "Tyger Tyger" conversation with Reede. Michael immediately realises he's been played.

So the 3 with the horizontal tattoos are separated, and Patrick feigns gunshots for the bugged phone. Then Sherriff McAllister is ordered by Patrick to tie up Haffner and Stiles and kidnap them. Gale Bertram and Reede Smith are ordered by Patrick to become fugitives.

Then Patrick stays to blow up his house.

Tyger, Tyger will be exposed in the Great Red Dragon. Red John loses his source of followers. Both Visualise and Tyger Tyger are down the drain.

Lorelei Martins appears, Red John's last hope. Lisbon thinks she's reformed, and gives her information, but it turns out Lorelei Martins is still a loyal footsoldier to Red John. Later we find out Ray Haffner actually abducted and raped her sister.

At the end of the episode, there is a massive but subtle clue that Brett Partridge is Red John.

That's all I can say for now. Now just wait for the episode to air. I will return next week.

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Sorry to disappoint many. The main argument against Kirkland being RJ - the fact that at mid season 5 Lorelei couldn't possibly know about him shaking hands with PJ - is void.

If PJ has included him in the list, on the handshake basis, he IS right. Or do you believe that PJ can't reason about season 5 as the fans do???

Of course, my statement is fit, if the writers of the show do follow the storyline, remember the events as the fan do. Which is not necesarily true, as - everybody knows - there are business rules, money interests which result in pressure, strict timetables and so on.

I hope there will be no cliche', illogical explanation, absurd twists. Would be a shame to ruin a successul, entertaining show. 

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Remember what Lorelei said? "I'm surprised you two didn't become lifelong friends when you shook hands"

So RJ is supposed to be someone who is:

1- Not on good terms with Jane.
2- Shares similar characteristics.

 From the remaining suspects Stiles and Sheriff already are on rather good terms with Jane. so I think they're off the list. Smith is just a though FBI guy and doesn't have anything with common with jane.

So only Bertram and Haffner remain. And if Rosalind's descriptions are anywhere near correct, it can't be Bertram so the only remaining suspect is Haffner. What do you guys think?

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One more prediction: Red John does not have the tattoo Jane is looking for and Jane knows it.

There is absolutely no evidence that the PI hired to spy ever met RJ or was killed personally by him. To make that assumption is totally irresponsible. Jane knows that, but he also knows it's the perfect time to come unhinged with that assumption.

He also knows that Lisbon's phone is bugged and tracked.

All he needs to do is tell her his theory, and RJ will have the opening to an endgame he can't refuse.

Everything Jane tells Lisbon from this point on are things Jane wants RJ to hear and believe--even that he'll bring Lisbon with her. Then he waits until the last second, ditches her in the middle of nowhere, and takes her phone. RJ now has no idea where she is, other than that her phone shows him to still be with Jane.

In other words, she's safe for a window of time.

In the meantime, Jane has made it abundantly clear that he is looking for a tattoo of 3 dots. If such a tattoo exists on RJ, it's easy enough to cover up at this point. What Jane knows is that the person (or as it turns out people) who has/have the tattoo are willing to die for RJ. Anyone with the tattoo RJ is willing to lose. Anyone without, he is not.

So 3 guys show up with the tattoo, making it seem like that's the mark of the RJ club, but Jane knows it isn't because he's seen every inch of Loralei and she doesn't have the tattoo. Plus he's seen the bodies of other co-conspirators who died, and they don't have tattoos either.

So it's not a club mark. It's a mark RJ placed on 3 dudes as he plays into Jane's hands.

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Hey gang!  This is not a theory.  I was just hoping we could pull our collective insights to answer a question I have.

In episode 2 of this season, while Patrick and Lisbon are talking in the hospital, a doctor walks by. She knocks and then says the following:

Doctor: "Hello? Uh... Mrs. Lee?  Carmen Lee?"
Lisbon: "Sorry.  Wrong room I guess..."
Doctor: "Sorry."  (The doctor exits).

That scene always bugged me.  I can't shake the feeling that it was a clue of some kind and that it's going to be relevant later on.  Sure it's realistic that a doctor might have the wrong room, but as a writing stand point, why include that banal moment?  There must be more to it.  With the Mentalist, there always is.

Please comment below if you have a thought about this scene.  I really have no idea what it's importance might be, I just have a hunch it will be somehow!


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An important question remained: why did Partridge had to die, and why then?

1) Is he really meant to return of the dead? No, but maybe he helped to make that possible for somebody else. I assumed he was a member of Tyger Tyger, that he was the one who covered up their killings. However this could be motive for RJ to kill him, it doesn't explain anything important and also the timing seems random.

2) So we need a better explanation. Now, after I read a very interesting theory on this site about RJ's list-trick, it makes more logic to me that Partrigde worked for Red John, and helped to fake Lorelei's death after she was knocked unconsious. Her body is under the blood but her pretty face has not been touched what so ever. Though on the DVD her right cheek is firmly bruised. That's part one of RJ's trick, the second part was wiretapping Lisbon to find out the 7 names.

3) As someone also posted here, the pidgeons in that dark building are the important clue in S06E01: they referred to Lisbon's happy memory about her mother feeding pigeons. When Jane and Lisbon are talking in the park and there's a random lady feeding pigeons, Jane suddenly remembers. RJ must have added the pigeons for Lisbon (and not that poor Partridge). So now he knows how RJ did his cheap trick.

Partridge obviously had to die because he's the only one apart from RJ that knows Lorelei is still alive. RJ couldn't take the risk to have him talking, since he's also on Jane's list and would be watched closely The gps-trackers on the suspect's phones allow him to hit two birds with one stone.

As Lisbon once said, Haffner is a well known wiretapper - it doesn't exclude other suspects but Haffner allready became my only possible suspect after Partridge died: after we find out it's him and will review his episodes, many small details about his behavior will suddenly make a lot of sense.


This theory (all credits to the members here who found about it before) is for know the only one that gives a decent explanation for how RJ tricked Jane, so I tend to stick with it - untill someone finds even better :)

  

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It's simple. Sheriff and Haffner. One of them will definitely die tomorrow. Whoever doesn't is Red John.:)

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