But thats the point , there is great reason to doubt it . We have no idea about roy tagliofera remember ?
We should talk about it , think about the situation.
Dumar ate over there with roy. Roy is in his mid 30s. Roy was working on building a farm.
Where do u prove that red john is roy?
He drew his mark on the wall to mess with jane , why else.

To mr jane:
Yes dumar said rj was a friend of his fathers . Red john has been very close to the tanner family especially orville like u said BUT
That doesnt prove he was with rosaline. Rosaline was with a man who was with dumar but we assumed red john but it isnt proven. I think it was a misdirection by rj.
Thats why he put a smiley face on the wall becuase he wanted rosalines description to throw jane off

VAN PELT TRANSLATES TO "TANNER" not tammer lol

Orville TANNER was rjs first accomplice.
He owned the TANNER farm with the red barn.
Dumar TANNER was a sheriff and also a rj follower.
Jack TANNER had the surfer daughter who was murdered and might of been with dumar at rosalines house .
Grace VAN PELTS last name translates to TAMMER!

Weird when olaughlin said he knew her father Amos van pelt.
He said he played against him in college football.
He made a sad serious face and said "tell your dad he's remembered "
Which is a weird thing to say so seriously for a coach he never met and only played against once !
Theres a lot of football connections including haffner playing as well.
He is man is in my mind heisman. We will find out soon.

Roy tagliafera was jack tanner.
You would have to assume that jack tanner was related to orville tanner and dumar tanner . No reason to use that name for a pointless character like jack unless it meant something .
Season 1 ep 3 jacks daughter hope a surfer was murdered.
Jack tanner whos wife died was seeing rosaline while he was building a new farm (smells of pine)
He was related to dumar tanner who helped him build the farm and visited rosaline with him.
Red john stayed close with the tanner family including orville his first accomplice, in jail.
*red john knew that jane would go to rosalines house
If rosaline had any info on rj he would kill her or at least make sure jane doesnt know he was there .
Since rosaline had no real info except stuff that would lead jane astray, red john drew his mark making jane assume rj was the man rosaline deacribed.

I have pages of theories and clues about van pelt and rigsby being red john.
Something that just popped out at me blew my mind.
I never noticed it before and i may be overreacting but tell me what u think?

**the red john smiley face has very distinct eyes . They are always the same and very close together . The eyes are closer together than a typical smiley face.
So, these three things popped in my head and ill share
1. Close eyes kinda like a t rex? (Jane called rigsby that)
2. Close eyes sort of like wayne rigsby's actual face .
3. Close just like haffners actual face

Take a look and tell me who pops into you mind
A lot of people always say its janes face but thats not true since the face dates pre jane being sad .

LOL   How the hell could you buy into this coded list bullshit?   Red John isn't dead !!!  This is all a gift from Red John  -Jane's New Beginning-     Every season has had a cliffhanger finale- the finale is always the best episode cause it was all Red John and it left you blown away and wanting more.  What's gonna be the season 6 finale? what's gonna be that amazing episode where the stakes are high enough and you are wide eyed in suspense?  It has to be the Red John reveal . . .it has to be!!!    Hopefully they got enough new fans to boost ratings with this new beginning stunt that by the end of this season we find out somehow that Red John is still alive and this is all just another Timothy Carter play by Red John just toying with Jane  You thought I was dead?   WRONG!!!  did you enjoy your bullshit two year vacation? well I'm bored game back on!                how bout Red John slaughters the Rigsby Family   You want a new beginning? Seventh and final season is THE REAL RED JOHN goes on a killing spree the series finale is the death of Red John a series finale that answers all the questions and gives the fans the satisfying end that this brilliant show deserves      NOTHING ABOUT S06E08-Red John FEELS RIGHT OR EVEN MAKES SENSE !!!!  the whole series is Red John      they have left it so wide open for him to come back and still be alive   besides the fact McAllister just appeared out of nowhere and didn't really convince me he is Red John and the way he died? McAllister didn't go out like Red John he went out like someone who was made to play Red John the same way Timothy Carter was.   THERE'S NO WAY TIMOTHY CARTER COULD PLAY A MORE CONVINCING RED JOHN THAN RED JOHN             I think Jane is once again one step ahead of Red John playing the long con      he knew McAllister wasn't Red John that's why he didn't care to hear McAllister's explanation    the two year vacation is just like his fake breakdown in season 4             RED JOHN IS STILL ALIVE      AGREE?