i still think patrick jane is red john,i mean come on people,in the episode where he imagined his teenage daughter,she asked him (do they know who you really are) plus red jophn and patrick jane drink tea!! omg come on..if im wrong than please someone tell me why he imagined his daughter said that!

I've been wondering if Patrick is RJ many times, but there is always one thing that makes it impossible. 
Could he kill his family? Sure. If he really is that cold-blooded sociopath, he could do it to have an excuse to join CBI and mess with them a little bit. To have fun. 
Also RJ is really great in hypnosis (which I think puts Rigsby out of equation) and as we Know Patrick is one of the best. 
But why on God's Earth would he (as RJ) rarget as a enemy number one himself??
He is messing with Jane, surely enjoys this whole game between them. What fun would be messing with himself? No fun at all..... 

I know im beating a comatose horse here but Kira Tinsley proves Macalister was not red john and that the real red john hired her.

Firstly , Visualize did not hire her . Visualize has Ray Haffner as their head spy. He was already keeping tabs on cbi whenever he pleased plus jane believed cooper when he said visualize was not using her...
The ba would not need her either ! After all these years and connections red john aka the BA used a dizzy broad to clumsily drop a bug on CHOS'S desk one random day? Makes no sense ...
I think Tinsley was hired to die and utter he famous last words ...no name...just "he had a tattoo on his left arm". Thats a whole sentence !

Also i think the usb in bertams room is a lot bigger then we think.
IT WAS NOT BERTRAMS USB HE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS THERE.
Its evidence against major players in the BA and it was planted there.

A few posts ago someone mentioned the movie "North by Northwest". Its the flick styles and patrick watch at the theatre . Its about a guy who is posing as another guy who has a file to take down major names in the goverment . And a secret society was after him for it .
Remember how the fbi all the sudden was after styles on a case that was 30 years old? Well maybe they made their move cuz they found out Styles had info on people . The usb was planted on bertam bc they knew cbi would find it when searching for Bertram.

A file that only Patrick can decipher...march 9th!

Has anyone ever read "a tale of two cities" and know how it could pertain to Red John?
I know there are twins in the book but i saw jane reading it one episode .

Side note: Olaughlin, Timothy Carter, Hightowers Murdered bf, all worked for the BA.
The real red john hates the ba and was using Todd Johnson to kill some of them.
Haffner may of been BA as well to Visualizes dismay.

I was never convinced that patrick jane was red john.
I definitely thought about it but concluded that it was impossible but sometimes it does seem to be true.
In the season 4 finale when jane is in the warehouse he is reading Modern Man in Search of a Soul” from C. G. Jung.
That book is abouy dreams the subconscious and split personalities .
The camera went on the book for a while so the viewer could see.
Jane never sleeps but its funny that he slept the most when in bed with lorelie . 12 hours !
I dont think jane killed his family but who knows anymore .
Maybe jane sent lorelie to himself and told her to tell him about the handshake but i doubt it .
Def cool to think about .

The mere thought that red john was BA makes no sense for many reason but here are a few that struck me recently.....
The BA owns law enforcement . They in return for allegiance, make sure all of your legal woes go away like Reede smith said. Shen you get caught, they kill you to keep the secret going.
**Red john however, works differently . He through lorelie told jane he could have a brand new life . New name new identity and new everything. A new name an identity is NOT something the BA would do. They own law enforcement so no need to .
Red john is not a fan of law enforcement and like other underground killers and criminals have ways to change identities and whatnot.
-Timothy carter comes to mind.
The first person killed in the pilot was a plastic surgeon.
I believe he was killed for more than just getting mad at his colleague for feeding starving african children!
Just a thought


My point is that the BA uses law or stretching the law for their member s to have clean records.
Red john is a vigilante that uses criminal ways to change whole identities. Big difference .

I think the fact that Jane asking for a trailer as one of his demands proves a few cool things.
1: Jane most likely knew the fbi would reach out to him making this idea he "moved on" silly.
2: Jane when he receives the trailer will no doubt give it to his carnie friends who were sending lisbon letters for him.
I think the key to catching red john is in janes carnie past and whenever that episode happens its gonna be great.

Also the fbi is the belly of the beast. Jane knows red john had people in the fbi. jane is in the belly of the beast for very good reason. He wanted the fbi to shut down the cbi and its all working great.
Macalister was NOT RED JOHN! He may of used red johns persona but he is not the real deal.

Also, the scene where lisbon and rigsby fake their deaths and jane meets red john was a huge clue.
Mr jane always asks me how can rigsby be red john if he was with the team when it all went down. Well rigsby may be a follower or used a voice recording for that scene . IF THE HOME ALONE KID CAN DUPE ROBBERS WITH A RECORDING RED JOHN CAN!!!!! Remember the talkboy? Lol

Anyway Rigsby went out shadily for nachos right before the meeting . Could he of warned red john or set that bike up for jane? Like i said before the bike had a toe tag on it , the same found on fake rigsbys toe in the morgue.
How the hell did RJ steal Wayneright ? He was at cbi?
Cbi ron maybe.