I haven't been following The Mentalist for long but I just watches the episode with Panzer
with the interview on Karen Cross' show with Patrick.
During the interview, Patrick was aiming his words at Panzar being the serial killer
but also trying to include Red John as a greater figure compared to Panzar. This upset Panzar.
Afterwards, Patrick visits Panzar in his dressing room and says "you did good".
As if to say Red John would approve of that argument.
In the end, Panzar is dead. But, in the dressing room scene, Jane had a look of defeat on his face
after saying what he said to Panzar. Jane was proud of Red John's performance and felt the need to eliminate
Panzar to prove he was better.

Anyone know where I can get all the seasons!!! I want to look into this more closely.


To be honest, I REALLY HOPE PATRICK JANE IS RED JOHN.

I actually want to disprove that jane is RJ. In the scene where Patrick picks up loreli martins after she has escaped/been released from prison, as soon as she sees jane has come to pick her up she is dissapointed that it is not red john. If PJ is RJ, how could she know it wasnt the RJ persona coming to break her out?

[60
seconds]

 



Red John
is a game.

 



Background:  



1. Jane
has 2 sides : bright side & dark side.(Jane is always at the bright side in
the show)



2. Red
John is a group, more or less like a cult. (You can see the killing methods are different)



3. Jane
was in the group.And one of the pivotal members.(Brett Stiles is probably in the group too as he knows a lot
about Red John)

 

 



4. The
group employs people (e.g. lorelei martins, the fat dude with black glasses).
But there are only a few pivotal members who really know what is going on. They lie
to most of their members that RJ is a men. They didn’t tell them Jane was the culprit and the whole plan,too.


Theory:

 



1.     
The group admitted Jane because of his talents and they started killing
people. The killing game was fun at the beginning.

 



2.     
Later they found the game not challenging enough as the cops suck. They
don’t even have any progress in the case.

 



3.     
Jane decided to make the game more interesting. Jane has extraordinary
abilities as he is good at observing and mind tricks. He wanted to challenge
them. They then brainwashed Jane, wiped out his memory about the group
and all those killings. Jane then turned to bright side. They later started
killing again to catch Jane’s attention.

 



4.     
They knew that Jane has an arrogant and lazy character. So they killed
his family so as to give him a “motivation”. Jane then focused on his attention
on this case.

 



5.     
The group occasionally give hints to Jane and save him(e.g. s3e09). It
also explains why he didn’t get killed after insulting Red John(look at Panzar….).


Would be a fun plot if it is the case
Please comments :)

   Just a few quotes. No proof. Hardly evidence. Perhaps it's nothing.
Perhaps it's clever writing. Perhaps it's a writer's subconscious leaking through his/her pen...  either way...interesting.

          "God you're a cold bastard." Lisbon to Jane.
           
    “We will not rest until we bring the perpetrator to justice.” -Minelli
      Jane has erratic sleep patterns. Often asleep on the couch during work hours. What's he up to at night?

        Lisbon-"Is Jane back?"
        Grace- "I haven't seen him."
        Lisbon-"Find him would you."
  How many episodes have we heard something like that?

       Lisbon-"That was nine years ago. Why attack the CBI today?"
       Jane-"Yea, It's puzzling.Carter and Janet Peak. Nine years ago. *under breath to self* Carter, Janet Peak, nine- *loud again* Nine years ago, I'm a lot less experienced. Something went wrong with Carter and Janet Peak. A mistake. Now he fixed it but somehow now it's come undone. I'm Red John, why do i kill Morning and Hicks and attack Bosco's team? 
Bosco wanted the medical reports. What did he know..

               "You're not going to catch anyone with a background check. They plan too carefully for that."  -Patrick Jane

                Minelli- "I want to foster better inter-unit relations. Let's stop stumbling into each other, and try working together... You have concerns."
                Bosco- "I do. *points to Jane* This man... I - I don't even know what he is. He's an accident waiting to happen."

                And we all know what happened to Bosco..=)

              Lisbon- "There are real boundaries in life. These are real prison walls."
              Jane- "Only in your mind Lisbon. Only in your mind."

              Bosco-" It was a big mistake bringing in a whack job like him...
              Lisbon-"...Jane was bound to self destruct eventually. We all knew that."

              Victoria Abner-“Your aura is fascinating, Mr. Jane. So
many hues.”    
            Jane is a color...it's a hue of red.

              Jane-"A lie gets heavy fast..doesn't it."

              Jane- "You know you're a very good liar. Most people subconsciously signal dishonesty. But you, there's nothing. No inner conflict. Usually that's the mark of what shrinks like to call a sociopath."

              Bosco to Lisbon--“You know, for a cop, you made a very convincing lunatic. Jane must be proud.”
             Because Jane's the opposite..???

              Dr. Carmen & Lisbon-“Can memory loss be a result of trauma? Sure. Your mind shields you from the awful thing you did or even what someone else did.”

TAKE YOUR TIME READING THIS EXCHANGE
               Bosco: "You're a party entertainer, a clown. Fresh leads? I wouldn't tell you where the bathroom is if your ass was on fire. Do we understand each other?"
                    Jane- "I understand you, it may take you time to understand me."
                 Bosco-"You're filled with equal parts self-loathing and self-love. You're addicted to control, you're terrified of confinement."          
                 Jane-"Who's my favourite beatle? Huh?"
                 Bosc-"Your wife wanted you to quit the psychic trade, she begged you to stop, but you were making too much money and you having too much fun. You can still hear her pleading with you. How am I doing?"
                 Jane- "You read the interviews in my case file. You can read, very impressive."
                 Bosco- 'Well, Patrick. *putting his hand on Jane's shoulder* I'm sorry to be so blunt with you."
                 Jane- "Really? *putting his hand on Bosco's shoulder*
                
                  Jane-"“A true artist watching a cheap imitator until fear made you a believer. It can do that to you. The heart wants what the heart wants. Makes us do bad things, it won’t be denied.”
 
                  Jane-"Easy to fool yourself that the people you love are honest."   ----ah haha  love it...
  
                  Jane-"The devil is in the details isn't he."

JANE-"I HAD A DAUGHTER ONCE. SHE DIED. MURDERED. IT WAS MY FAULT."

                   "Well, anything can happen on TV."---Patrick Jane

I think some weird and creepy evidence is Red John's voice in the season 4 finale. Simon Baker's (patrick jane's) voice was obviously used !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_CK_90hei0   A simple pitch correction and you can hear simon baker.  
    I for one hope PJ is RJ.  Perhaps some disassociative personality disorder. What if the Red John persona is aware of the PJ persona...
anyway i hope patrick will have another mental break and realize he's rj. what better place for a child leaving the carnival than a pseudo religion like visualize and working on a farm.
but enough speculation.
    I'd like to hear others thoughts on simon baker's voice being used for RJ in the season 4 finale.

Patrick Jane is not a Red John. Let me explain why. In last episode when they are on farm they see smiley face on the wall. They said it was painted by someone who worked on the farm. After that Jane meets all people who shouldve worked there and no one recognizes him. But there is my another opinion. It was there 25 years ago. jane is 44 which means he painted that face first time when he was 19. Age fits so there is a chance.

ricl jan

while he's on tv show, red john killed his family. but how? john has to know his address before he watch tv. but he also considere to kill his family Jane is a lier. so it's impossible. also john can't be fast like that.
you remember Jane has been in hospital because oh his pschologic situations. you know why? because he has more than one personality.

truth is: Jane is red john. he kills his family before he showned up tv. he killed womans before; maybe because of their thoughts while they were talking with Jane as a fortuneteller.

thats what i think. but i have to add that Jane doesnt know that he's Red John.

@kircalive