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Thomas McAllister

Thomas McAllister
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WITH THE FINAL CLUE
IN HAND, JANE
ATTEMPTS TO GATHER
THE REMAINING RED
JOHN SUSPECTS IN ONE
PLACE IN HOPES OF
FINALLY REVEALING HIS
IDENTITY, ON “THE
MENTALIST,” AT A
SPECIAL TIME, SUNDAY,
NOV. 3
Michael Gaston Returns
as CBI Director Gale
Bertram
Malcolm McDowell
Returns as Bret Stiles
Drew Powell Returns as
FBI Agent Reede Smith
Reed Diamond Returns
as Ray Haffner
Xander Berkeley Returns
as Sheriff Thomas
McAllister
“Fire and Brimstone” —
With the final clue in
hand, Jane attempts to
gather the remaining
Red John suspects in
one place in hopes of
finally revealing his
identity, on THE
MENTALIST, at a special
time, Sunday, Nov. 3
(10:30-11:30 PM, ET/CT,
10:00–11:00 PM, PT) on
the CBS Television
Network.
CHEAT TWEET: Eeny
Meeny Miny Mo! Jane
gathers all the #
RedJohn suspects in one
place. #WhatWillJaneDo
#TheMentalist 11/3
http://bit.ly/16ebZ3a
SERIES REGULARS:
Simon Baker (Patrick
Jane)
Robin Tunney (Teresa
Lisbon)
Tim Kang (Kimball Cho)
Owain Yeoman (Wayne
Rigsby)
Amanda Righetti (Grace
Van Pelt)
GUEST STARS:
Michael Gaston (Gale
Bertram)
Malcolm McDowell (Bret
Stiles)
Drew Powell (Reede
Smith)
Reed Diamond (Ray
Haffner)
Xander Berkeley (Sheriff
Thomas McAllister)
Robert Picardo (Jason
Cooper)
Bobby Hosea (Joe
Lamotte)
Russell Thomas (FBI
Agent)
Emily Davenport
(Visualize Disciple)
Brennan Feonix
(Motorist)
Steve Bethers (Good Old
Boy)
Peyton McCormick
(Disciple #1)
Ana Isabel Mercardo
(Disciple #2)
WRITTEN BY: Ken
Woodruff
DIRECTED BY: John
Showalter
Source: CBS

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Nick Nordella plays "young man" in episode 7(great red dragon) and 8(Red John) (imdb casting: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3196216/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_2
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3196212/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_2 )

Here's a clear shot of his face: https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000505333291/e2dd7cd4a86c764cf6895d619e1a6752.jpeg

Now here's a clear shot of xander berkeley(he who plays mcallister): http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120918094811/marvelmovies/images/2/2b/Xander_Berkeley.jpg

The "young man" role is probably a flashback of his visualize experience and first murder!!
They looks almost the same, a young to old comparision.
Look familiar? yeah i thought so too, discuss =D

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It's definitely MacAllister. The "he is mar" everyone goes on about looks more like "he is mac" with the bottom of the c dragging down, since he didn't finish writing. It's definitely not an r. The "a" in mac is finished with it's tail. Guys it's a case of Occam's razor, and misread writing.
 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aoltv.com/media/2009/01/mentalist-heisman.png

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I have been discussing here for some time as a guest (Red Carpet) an I have posted a now obsolete theory for Oscar Ardiles under the pseudonym Red Blood Cell.After believing it could be Gale Bertram I finally have come to the conclusion that Red John is Sheriff McAllister.

Let me summarise all the clues and hints I find important. I will give well-deserved kudos to the posters who noticed something before me.

1. McAllister matches the description of Rosalind Harker well enough, which is "just under six feet tall, with short, straight hair, not muscular but not soft, with strong hands“. He is balding now but he might have had more hair when he visited her 5 years ago.
2. He is the right age. According to the script McAllister was supposed to be 45 years old in 2008. In S05 E13 it’s been established by Patrick Jane using the statement of Father Peter Dibuono, that Red John must have been under 30 when drawing the smiley on the barn in 1988. McAllister was 25 years old.

3. There is a striking similarity between the restaurant owners in S01 E02 and the Carter’s in S04 E01. On the outside both couples lead a respectable, normal life but have a secret murderous „hobby“ in which both spouses take enthusiastic part in. The Carter’s have been disciples of Red John and so might have been Boatwright’s.From what we know of Red John’s ideas he rejects the moral codes established by society. He encourages his disciples to act out their darkest desires. 

4. In S01 E02 he acted suspiciously during the interrogation of drug dealer Hector Ramirez. Hector only starts talking after what seems to be confirming eye contact with McAllister. It seems like McAllister is directing him.
5. Also in S01 E02 McAllister seems to try to frame Hector for the murder from the beginning to protect his protégés: „My bet is it’s a meth head from the city coming in off the interstate.“ (Kudos to IKnowWhoRedJohnIs who posted this as a reply to #5008.)

6. In S01 E02 he exhibits a strange forceful behaviour towards Van Pelt by trying to get her into his car. He did’nt meet her and Rigsby before and he didn’t know about the trap laid out by Jane so he probably didn’t know she was part of Lisbon’s team.

7. In S03 E04 Red John’s mole O’Laughlin flies Van Pelt for lunch to Napa. McAllister is the Sheriff there.

8. In S02 E23 Red John comes to Jane’s rescue wearing pointed toe boots. McAllister is wearing similar boots in S06 E03. He refused to climb the ladder because of his pointed boots: „You want me to climb all the way up there in these pointed toe boots?“
(Kudos to shoespeople, who did catch that in #5964 - I also uploaded screenshots there.)
9. According to Sophie Miller’s recordings about J.Roth „there is every indication that his phobia issues are real whether acrophobia or some other issue“. He claimed to have acrophobia, but it could very well be another kind of phobia.
In S06 E02 Lisbon wonders why Red John hadn’t killed her and Patrick answers „Maybe something spooked him and he couldn't go through his usual routine.“When Lisbon searched the abandoned house she opened a door to a room with pigeons. Some might have gotten out and scared Red John while they where shut away during the murder of Partridge.Also in S06 E03 on the spire McAllister got scared by by a pigeon and did shout „Hey, hey! Get it out, get it out!“ before he regained his posture and smoothed over the awkward moment with "Didn't see that coming."(Kudos to GaetanoCastobello for guessing this kind of phobia before anyone else in #5302)
10. Red John seems to have an exceptional sense of smell. Remember S03 E23?: 
„Your wife was very clean. She smelled like coal tar soap and lavender. Your daughter smelled like sweat and strawberries and cream. I suspect it was some kind of kids' shampoo.“Not only could he smell and identify all those things he also remembered every detail.In S06 E03 MacAllister could smell organo on a body that’s been laying in water for some hours. (Kudos to JayJayLaRoth who mentioned it first in #5963)
11. When McAllister shot Charlie on the roof he joked about it: „Now he's talking directly to Jesus!“. 
He’s someone who kills easily, who doesn’t care about the death of others and makes fun of religious beliefs. (Kudos to JayJayLaRoth who mentioned it first in #5963)
These are enough clues for me to strongly believe Red John is McAllister.
He has been on the show from the second episode where he could observe Jane and where he got outmanoeuvred by Jane. I suspect his strong obsession with Patrick started at this episode. 

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Hi there - I've been following this website for a while now, and
thought it time to contribute.



As a side note, a while ago, when I learned about the list, my friend and I
guessed who was going to be on it.

She came up with: Mashburn, Stiles, Bertram, Partridge, Kirkland, Volker and
Alex Jane.



My views were slightly different: Mashburn, Stiles, Bertram, Partridge,
Kirkland, Virgil and then I suggested a dark horse for the last space.



When I complied my list, my suspicions were centred around Mashburn and Bertram
- although I thought Virgil would've been good too.



Now that I've seen the real list, I like the idea of McAllister for Red John. I
operate on the assumption the list is correct – my reasons in shiw are
explained, but it would be a massive slap in the audience’s faces if it weren’t.



I would not like to make any form of conclusive statement, but rather look at
some of the evidence with fresh and objective eyes, not clouded by trying
to make evidence fit a certain character.



Definitively, I would like to state I am not making a case, but merely
pondering some of the clues and ideas posed. I will not consider pigeons, which
I would state are a non-clue, based solely on analysis of the reasons offered –
someone feeding pigeons at a park that Jane and Lisbon were in is not, to my
mind, suspicious, especially as they evidently were there before the two
arrived. Disliking having a pigeon fly in your face does not constitute a fear.



Things to consider

The list - I believe that the list of seven suspects is valid, and
people have questioned the validity of including certain suspects. I remember
it is stated that the list is derived from cutting down the handshake list to
only the suspects whom could've committed all the murders.

As such, if Red John is more than one person, as has been suggested, it implies
that the list is valueless - this is possible, although it does then bode the
question of why Jane is spending time with the seven suspects so much. Three
answers suggest themselves - that one of the suspects is guilty, that he knows
the list is invalid but would be spending a lot of time in proximity to Red
John anyway so it doesn't matter, or it is an elaborate trap.



How did Red John know the list? - Lorelei is dead, thus the list was
made before her death. As such, how could Red John produce Jane's list months
in advance? Here are some ideas: that Red John followed the same line of
reasoning as Jane and produced the same list via thinking and research. That
Jane did not produce a list, but rather simply used the one Red John provided.
That we have not seen all the video. Maybe Jane shot the video himself - this
does not suggest he is red John - as part of an endgame to trap Red John.

He is man – either Jared Renfrew or Red John himself wrote the words on the
word. If it was Renfrew, we can assume they are some clue to Red John’s
identity – of the theories I have seen so far, that would give us an incomplete
message, the word ‘Heisman’ or an anagram of some sort. If Red John wrote it,
it makes the message a bit more cryptic – a possible clue to his identity
again, or even some taunting.

Tyger tyger, and
William Blake
– an obvious suggestion to
this motif is the hallmark of his killings, although the smiley faces fulfil
this goal – there is a form of religious imagery running through the word, so
it would suggest a possible religious connection to Red John’s killings. The
fearful symmetry line suggests either a literal or a metaphorical symmetry –
either something pertinent is literally an opposite, or a symbolic clash
exists.  Why did Brett Partridge utter
the line when he dies – it suggests a Red John connection to him, although on
the follower front more than the man himself.

Rebecca – Rebecca was killed, and if we presume by Red John and not one
of his followers, it renders the situation interesting in regards to who could
actually have been there at the time, and who would have been able to get away
with such a murder? Although possible, it is hard to imagine anyone
particularly important would not have been recognised, but then equally hard to
imagine someone lacking in importance (in a law enforcement front) would have
been allowed near such a prisoner.

Appearances – we have had several descriptions of Red John, as well as an
appearance from the man himself when he saves Jane. Although we cannot say for
certain, there are several points of concurrence – his gender and his height. I
would not like to trust anything else, many of the characteristics could be
changed – hair, for instance – or faked – liking Bach.

Visualise – it is inferred that Red John has a connection to Visualise,
based on Bret Stiles’ knowledge of him and the barn murders. Whether or not he
was/is a member cannot be stated for certain, although it seems probable based
on the previous points. However, it may be Worthing considering that working on a farm could have been co-incidental - possibly to plant the Visualise connection - as we saw in the episode, there were non-Visualise members connected too.

Sophie Miller – there are a number of fallacies regarding Miller – for one,
although highly likely, we cannot state for certain that the patient Jay Roth
is Red John. Then, assuming he is, the idea of a phobia is only a suspicion of
Miller – we cannot take that as fact either.

Phone tracking – at the end of The Desert Rose, we can see quite clearly the
location of the tracked individual’s phones – this does not equate to the same
thing as each individual. Anybody could have left a phone at a location or in car
– the suspect being far away/in transit/both does not exclude them.

Getting away with it – as an inference more than a clue, we must consider that Red
John must have some sort of position of power, some sort of access to
information, respectability/exertion of influence and a great deal of intellect
to have been successfully murdering for so long. With some suspects, the framework
is evident – Visualise, Homeland Security, the CBI – but everybody considered could achieve this.

Just some thoughts - what does everyone else think?

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Thank you! Someone finally put it into words: http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/6198#disqus_thread 

How can Patrick Jane include people on the list who obviously DO NOT fit he criteria and clues we have received regarding Red John?  Bertram too tall and no hair, Stiles too old and short, Reede too fat, etc.So who or what do we trust?  Do we trust our so-called clues?  Do we assume that Patrick Jane knows something we do not? Can we assume that Jane forgot about some of the clues - I don't think so!  Not forgetting those facts is requisite's for 'Smarts 101' and he is doing his doctorate in smarts - that is what this show is all about and why we watch it.

I tell you, if there isn't some seriously good explanation why these people can be on the list without disregard for each and every one of those 'clues', I will feel shortchanged and will chuck my TV out of the window - for ever.  Because then they could as well say that the pigeon who spooked McAllister is Red John.  Like Waldo always in the background. That pigeon featured at Partridge's murder and he is one of 'many' pigeons (you obviously need some help, being a pigeon).  And in 'Madagascar' you see that penguins can be quite handy and threatening, so why not pigeons?  This evil pigeon just knows how to hypnotize people.  I mean, why would a murder victim of Red John mutter "Tyger Tyger", unless he wasn't hypnotized by a pigeon?  What other explanation could there be?

But I digress. Let's assume that the show, the writers, are not trying to pull a quick one on us.  That means that the list is accurate.  It therefore has to mean that that the clues which contradict some of the suspects, must be explainable as being fake.  For instance Rosalind Harker must have been lying because she is still in love with Red John aka Roy Tagliaferro.  That I would believe.

While it is after 'the fact' ('the fact' = 'compiling the list'), one example of a misleading clue could be 'Red John is afraid of heights'.  That is not a solid clue!  It is a clue because, wait for it, Red John created it!  He was the one who told Sophie Miller. And how could he not know that Jane would think of looking for Sophie Miller because of the 'happy memory'?  Of course he knew!  He knew that Jane would 'discover' that clue.  It's cat and mouse. - will Jane know that I planted this clue?  Let's make it look real by stealing her notes - except the recording...

So we have to list each 'clue' - especially based on 2nd hand reporting- and seriously, slowly evaluate each as being reliable or not.  We have to look at the motives behind the existence of those clues.

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As people before have stated, Bruno Heller has said that the scene where Lisbon was abducted, was extremely important. In all three episodes, there were pigeons present or shown on camera. I think this is the fear that Red John has instead of heights. It's the fear of pigeons. In the last episode, McAllister freaked out when a bird came near him in the attic of the church. There were pigeons when Lisbon opened the door where she was taken. I think he did the killing of Brett along with impersonating a patient for Jane's therapist. Although, I don't think that Red John is a single person. The scene in episode two, where the three men were chatting in Bertram's office was interesting. That's why I think it consists of multiple people, but McAllister was present on the scene of the abduction of Lisbon.

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