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Thomas McAllister

Thomas McAllister
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I'll save the bragging about being correct for another time and place, but I wanted to add a voice of opposition to those people who are appalled by episode 8.

Firstly, it is real. Of course it is. It is not a fake decoy episode.

Secondly, what we have seen is raw and silly because it still needs editing. I am quite sure they will edit out the silly voice Gale uses as he dies, and will make other changes in editing (such as RJ body clearly breathing heavily after he is supposed to be choked to death). We will get more and better atmospheric music, better cuts, some new bits added etc... That is the point of a raw cut like this, and that is why editors get paid the big bucks.

Thirdly, I really enjoyed the episode. I thought the writing was good, and the storyline makes complete sense. Remember what we know of RJ. Remember what we know of serial killers. Why indeed does RJ kill Jane's family?? -- because he kind of nailed the analysis when he first went on TV and described him. Ultimately a pathetic lonely guy seeking approval. RJ needed to be psychopathic, but not a psychic. He needed to be hugely powerful, but not in a position of obvious power. He needed the physicality to sneak in the shadows, to travel around the state without arousing suspicion, to actually live a double life. The others suspects would have tremendous difficulty with this (save for one or two). What we have seen all season is an unravelling of RJ as Jane got closer and closer to getting him. We know RJ has gone from loathing Jane to respecting him, perhaps even admiring him and wanting to befriend him. This fits 100% with what we saw of STM over this season. He exhibits every trait. He fits broadly within every description. He is perhaps 1 inch too tall - but that is within the window of believability. He has thinning hair, but 5 years ago it is conceivable it was a little more lush. He fits all the descriptions of Miller. He fits the physique of the sneak peaks we have seen of RJ. He is sinister, aloof, clever, and always had an air of calm about him. He nailed the detective work in the Napa episode - and demonstrated his uncanny sense of smell - which is a crucial clue.

I loved how we learn he is a pathetic man who desperately tries to stay alive. He has lost his network, his power - the other heads of his dragon. He is finally alone. It is just him and Jane (and perhaps 1 or 2 other desperate female devotees). He plans his final victory. To have the world think Gale is RJ, to fake his own death, to kill Jane, and to continue into his next chapter. But this time Jane is one step ahead. He has almost known since the rooftop of the church in Napa that STM is RJ. But he needed more certainty. We see Jane looking deeply at the Pidgeons in episode 2 (with the Partridey looking lady) - he is piecing it together. He knows what RJ will do at his house (and he plans the gun he will later use to wound RJ right from this moment - presumable the family gun he had once bought to protect his family - symbolic). He knows after this that the bomb was theater - and this leaves only STM in his mind as RJ. But he needs to still find a way to get him, and this is not certain yet. He does, however, know that Bertrum is his ace in the hole, and how he can use him to lure out STM. In fact, ironically, both RJ and PJ are using Bertrum for much the same purpose.

We see Patrick in the park again with Lisbon, surrounded by Pidgeons, and this is likely where he gets the bird for his final trick. It seems shocking that he smuggles a bird into the church like he did, but remember that Jane is carny folk - and this kind of thing for him is child's play, I am sure.

Ultimately, I found the ending very poetic and very genuine. Jane didn't want answers to RJ's tricks - he didn't want him to have any joy in his game. He simply wanted RJ to die, to know why he was dying, to know that he made a mistake when he targeted Jane's family, and to regret ever doing it. He acheived this exactly.

Fourthly, there has been much discussion of Visualize and Stiles. Remember that one of the arching themes of the Mentalist has been Janes iconoclasm and the fact that he champions skepticism and the denial of religious mumbo jumbo. The show plays with this theme too. Visualize is a cult, and is there to show that ultimately it is theater and lies. Stiles was the epitome of this. A showman full of hot air and no substance. When he claims knowledge of RJ, he is doing what all clergy do - trying to bolster his mystique and authority through lies. I wouldn't put much stock into the lack of a Visualize connection with RJ. It was a good misdirect by the show's writers, but it is much more satisfying to me that RJ was just a man with delusions and uncanny power; and not a man who had all the attention and success he ever needed already. The dangerous narcissist is the one who knows deep down they don't have the success and loyalties of people who love them. STM is perfect.

Finally, many of us on here are so well versed in the Mentalist universe that we find this ending to be without much twist at all. But to 99% of the audience, this is a twist and a great reveal. Furthermore, it is somewhat faithful to the notion that Heller wasn't going to screw with us too much this season. Somebody dies, they stay dead (except for STM!). The tattoo clue - was genuine. The phobia - genuine. Gale always acting goofy and clumsy - genuine. We get a pretty straight forward narrowing in on who RJ is, and but for a bomb deception, we don't feel like Heller gave us a nest of lies and deceit. I like this. If a TV show demands all it's viewers be super sleuths with hours per day to investigate theories online, then it will be a 1 season wonder.

My only real issue is the gunshot in the house. Was this supposed to be the sound of the concussion bomb? If so, then it makes sense somewhat. If not, then what happened?

As for all the other clues, they reconcile. "Roll Tide" -- sure, STM was simply stalking them at lunch listening in, and had abducted Frye by then.  The "he is mar" - well, this could be so many things. Perhaps it was even RJ himself scribbling something as a misdirection. Not a big deal. How he knew the final list? well, there are a dozen explanations - and perhaps we find out in due course.

I am satisfied. And I think the episode was pretty exciting and compelling. In fact, I sat there for an hour just smiling silently when it ended. Then again, I had predicted STM, and had guessed the majority of what transpired, so I had reason to be happy. But I won't lie, at one point or another I literally suspected every one of the 7 suspects, and that just means it was good writing. Bravo.

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Okay so it's not about RJ being a god. We all know he is just a man at the end of the day but the thing is he is an evil genius. He also thinks he is god so he would never back down, and always have something up his sleeve. His followers are many but where were they here. I didn't see his evilness or narcissistic behavior till the end. His determination to not get beat? Where was that. His under handed dirtiness where was that?  It's like all of a sudden he became this weakling.
The whole feel to the episode was awful. The day time thing in the park wasn't the best option either and the jokes and humor about it was ridiculous.

The plot was awful. The action wasn't action it was running and jumping. The end was awkward with the blinking. Red John was but a man but HE THOUGHT HE WAS A GOD and where was that??

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Ever since the beginning, I saw Red John the same way people from Visualize saw Bret Stiles, as a God. I always imagined him as a being a real psychic and being virtually invincible.

I could never imagine Red John as being a pussy who calls 911 as he is about to be killed. I didn't expect him to run away either. In the Season 5 finale, in the video it said that he would be active until he caught Jane, or Jane caught him. Well, Jane caught him and I fully did not expect for the powerful Red John to run away like that.

I hope this episode is fake or else I will be extremely dissapointed.For 6 1/3 seasons we saw Red John as one of the greatest serial killers ever, but if this is how it ends with him calling 911 and begging for his life, then I won't be able to look at Red John the same ever again

Anyone here agree with me?



PS. If this episode is real, you might want to consider buying one of these pigeon shirts 
http://teespring.com/PIGEON

I already ordered mine :/

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Hank Schrader: My name is ASAC Schrader and you can go fuck yourself...What? You Want Me To Beg? Do what you're gonna do.

Red John: Please, don't kill me. I don't wanna die....[Calls 911]


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This leaked episode is going to go one of two ways, I pretty much hope it is the second way.

1) It was the real episode, BUT it was not the final edited version. It could have been the version with many mistakes and the version before stuff was redone. Note, the Bertram lying on the ground in the leaked version, but not in the promo.

2) It was a fake. Imagine this: Spending a little bit extra to throw a complete hackjob together and release it early. Imagine this: Everyone whining about the episode saying it is worse than cancer, then on Sunday the real episode comes out, and it is genius and a beauty. That kind of media attention would be well worth the extra money they spent on this low grade episode.

Certain things pointed that is was fake. Some parts [while I think people exaggerate this too far] were a bit silly, a bit lazy and other parts were plain out rushed. There was also multiple illogical storylines within the episode. 

It could also be taken along with the promo: Most promos in the Mentalist have ever revealed anything truly significant, but this one basically revealed who Red John is. Could that be all part of the plan with the fake episode, to really screw people up and throw them off?

I personally just can't understand why there would be an encrypted link in the first place, and on some random upload site. It was clearly meant to be found, now the trick has been set.


We'll see on Sunday, let's hope we aren't disappointed! :)

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Does anyone really care about Abbot? I don't want to see him on my screen at all. He is not a character I would warm too.

I feel cheated but looking at all the interviews they did say here that there is only one more twist. God they made it so dumb and simple. It's almost like they stopped caring. 
Guys there is no other episode. You need to except it. 

Anyway here we go with the interview. MY COMMENTS ARE IN BOLD

According to Red John writer Jon Harper, you shouldn't count your dragons before they hatch: "You'll have to watch and see, but with The Mentalist, there's always another twist ( apparently just the one)." We still haven't seen all the bodies from the explosion - could there be another Red John suspect remaining?( Nooo didn't see that coming) However, we can confirm that the Patrick Jane/Red John confrontation will finally take place in this episode. And as calm as Jane seems to be about the whole situation  (why wouldn't he be, he has a secret weapon in his pocket AKA the pigeon), the final confrontation is going to be action-packed( eeeeh?) According to SpoilerTV "when Jane finally gets to face Red John, there is a lot more action than I expected involved. And it's a good thing ( ehhhhhh?)." According to the spoilers website, the Red John saga's conclusion will give Patrick Jane a "second chance at life."

This was the one and only episode out there. We are giving them way too much credit.

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I am praying that leak wasn't the episode we will see Sunday
-All these years and Red John is a coward
-It doesn't even make sense that the person could be Red John 
-Nothing was explained
-The final showdown was weak
-Bruno Heller made Red John look so bad and you would not think it was the same killer Jane has been tracking all these years
-I don't understand why CBS revealed Red John on the promo
-Red John defeated by pigeons

I really hope this was all a fake and we will see the perfect episode on Sunday where we will have a proper reveal and explanations.
If this is the real episode I will be very upset because I have been watching the show since the beginning and I have been waiting for the final Red John episode for a long time, thinking about the showdown with Red John and to get this ending is a DISASTER. 

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