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Today, I watched the episode "His Red Right Hand" as a refresher for Red John clues, and, quite accidentally, I came across some interesting literature references for the phrase "red right hand." Hear me out. This is quite interesting. In John Milton's great poem "Paradise Lost", the phrase is mentioned in these lines:

"What if the breath that kindled those grim fires,
Awaked, should blow them into sevenfold rage,
And plunge us in the flames; or from above
Should intermitted vengeance arm again
His red right hand to plague us?" 

In the Bible, the mark of the beast, is placed upon the right hand (or forehead), and so the red right hand (in Milton's poem) might mark the Antichrist and his followers. Or in this case, Red John and his disciples. As we saw the mark of the beast in "The Desert Rose" these things might be connected somehow. The "red right hand" might just be a metaphorical thing for Red John and/or his disciples, or it could be related to the next episode
"The Red Tattoo."

I don't know these things for sure, but I find the connections interesting. Strangely, there is also a song called "Song of Joy" which references John Milton's poem and states of a murderer:

"It seems he has done many, many more,
quotes John Milton on the walls in the victim's blood.
The police are investigating at tremendous cost.
In my house he wrote 'his red right hand'.
That, I'm told, is from Paradise Lost."

Anyway, I don't know if all of these connections are intentional or coincidental, but I thought it was interesting. What do you guys think? Could Heller have done this on purpose? Especially since we already know about the "Tyger, Tyger" poem and the William Blake connection.  

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Just to point out that Red John & Co, and the Criminal Law Enforcement Organisation seem to be two independent groups and not particularly allies of each other...to those suggesting they are one and the same.

Looking back on the scene where RJ recited the Tyger poem, doesn't it seem like he was either testing Jane's involvement with the CLEO or clueing him to their existence / password ?

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I have to wonder if CBS has told Heller to "wrap it up".....Heller said he's doing this for the fans...this is what the fans wanted (knowing who Red John is)....I had read awhile ago Bruno Heller ideally wanted the show to run seven seasons....maybe CBS will not renew it next year. I do know when The Mentalist moved to Sundays the show began to lose ratings.  

Does anyone else feel like the storyline is all over the place instead of just Patrick versus Red John? The whole Tyger Tyger organization really disappoints me, as does the list, the fake list, who is dead, who is not dead, ..... all of a sudden everyone is turning on Patrick...

I always thought Brett Partridge was Red John....now I have no clue. I was more excited about the show until Episode 4 aired on Sunday night with the Tyger Tyger exchanges - geez, what's next - Where's Waldo? 

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If Heller is going along the route of inventing a twin brother at the last moment just for the sake of a twist in the plot he might as well name the season finale "Jumped The Shark."
This is awful.  I feel sorry for Simon and Robin and the rest of the cast for having to act like this is so believable.  It's also sad when the fans can pull better scenarios out of their butts in under 3 paragraghs.
C'mon Heller, show us we are all on the wrong track.

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Just a thought.....

CSI (Brett P) and Kirkland (DHS employee) both get killed and its not on the News?

We could find a super elusive, fugitive #1 Osama in a godforsaken nation and we cannot find one, just one serial killer who is killing federal employees? and that in the state of CA what with its hollywood and silicon valley fame !!!!

Visualize is powerful you say? screw visualize...no one is bigger than google or apple or the hollywood stars when it comes to power and media coverage. I don't care if you click 'Unlikely' THIS IS A FACT!!

Does Bruno know how big a deal it is when federal employees get murdered? What kind of bullshit is he making us watch and believe? (He is british and perhaps in Britain people do get away with such shit? not sure)

Tyger Tyger may be a plot that will continue beyond Red John's capture looks like....something to keep the show alive after episode 6x8.....

But the very fact that local new stations (NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX) have failed to capture these murders AND that CBI, PD, FBI (IN THE STATE OF CA!!!!!) are supporting and abetting rape, abduction, torture, and murder seems (well actually it is) unbelievable.

Considering that this is just a TV show and nothing should be taken seriously....look at law and order or CSI for that matter....they keep it real for most part.....

Bruno is just messing this one up big time. Up to season 5 it was good TV, season 6 so far has been a big let down....the fact that Bruno is trying to wrap this up in 8 episodes after leading us on for 5 seasons is disappointing.

Again....this is just a thought

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Funny coincidence: Mentalist turned into "men-AT-list" :)

I hope very very much that authors will provide a clear explanation of all weird moments, as so far I'm not convinced. Can anyone explain me why Kirkland killed that guy at the hospital? Bob doesn't know the name of RJ, so why not at least torture that guy?)) Instead ...we could translate that dialog ("do you recognize me?) as follows: hey, did you see my brother? -no.-are u sure? -yap, I'm sure.- ok then I'll kill you. I would love to know your boss identity, and you know it, but eh... whatever, I'll kill you." 
weird, isn't it?

Now my theory is RJ could be anyone. Literally. Give me any name and I will explain why he is Red John. I think the main point is that authors haven't decided it till the last moment. During the first 3 seasons we see a crazy maniac, whose friends are creepy dummies. And now RJ is so rich, powerfull, with his philosophy, secret organization, which involves people from FBI, CBI... They've changed RJ!


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This is not really a theory, but have you noticed that after 6x08 " Red John" the episode titles are:

6x09 My blue (!) heaven
6x10 Green (!) thumb

Break of colour. Does that mean, that the "Red John Case" is finished after that? Does he die? What is your opinion?

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