The only guest stars from the list in the episode 'Red John' are the actors for Gale Bertram and Reede Smith..........


I'm not sure what to believe anymore. The list has been focused on too much it can't be real yet I feel it can't be fake because it has been focused on so much... 

But I'm about 90% sure Red John is someone we've seen this season but since Ray Haffner, Kirkland,Stiles and McAllister are missing from the episode where he is revealed I doubt it'll be them. 

But I also seriously doubt it's either Bertram (because in Strawberries and Cream, him and O'laughlin were part of a ploy to find RJ's accomplice and if he was RJ he would've figured out the trap) or Smith (who was too young to have tortured and killed two people in 1988).


But what recurring actor do we have that can't be eliminated? There's CBI Karl, that's very similar to CBI Ron that someone has talked about here somewhere I think (?), and he is the only other recurring actor returning in the episode Red John. But he might've come a little late to be Red John and he's more of a technical advisor than actor so I don't know if he could really pull off the role that is Red John but we never know.

Other actors returning this season are Aunjanue Ellis (Hightower) and also the guy that plays Jason Cooper.

I was actually thinking a bit about Jason Cooper. He was forgiven awfully fast by Brett Stiles when he betrayed him don't you think? And we know that Stiles knows who Red John is.Could it be for that reason that Stiles didn't get rid of him immediately? Cooper does get an awful lot of respect for such a scrawny man. And we all know serial killers tend to be rather pathetic people. The only thing bugging me is someone at the visualize church would probably have recognized him if he was the 'kid' painting the face on the barn. Also would Red John really stand to be someone's understudy? Or is that precisely why it's such a good disguise?

Also there's Richard Haibach (suspect in San Joaquin Killer case) coming back for some reason but it would be kind of a stretch for Red John to be such a sad, lonely character that appeared in only one previous episode, I think.

It is very insteresting that , Heller also speaking about of "Whale" all the time, is this a reference?Why all the time they use MOBY DICK and WHALE???

Heller: Up until now if you’re comparing it to Moby Dick, which is one of the analogies I
used to describe the length of the chase, next season the whale has been
sighted and they’re in the small boats and chasing the whale. It’s much faster
paced, more thrilling, more action, more surprises




Theory #6496 • By TommyOlds 
Posted 2 hours ago

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This hearing is almost like a conversation that could take place between Patrick Jane and Red John. Note particularly two of Tommy's sentences: his flaming "Oh, spare me your moralizing!" and his mocking conclusion comment "You wouldn't understand." about how redemptive revenge is. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAxEQYqo7noArgue on this theory or rate it.

What if Bruno Heller is just messing around with the fans about the list and none of the persons on the list is in fact RJ? 
I also think there was no reason to kill Wainright in season 4!! There might be some other mystery behind that that is going to be revealed..
I would really love it if it turns out to be a character like Cho, wayne or lisbon!! It will be like a bolt from blue...

This hearing is almost like a conversation that could take place between Patrick Jane and Red John. Note particularly two of Tommy's sentences: his flaming "Oh, spare me your moralizing!" and his mocking conclusion comment "You wouldn't understand." about how redemptive revenge is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAxEQYqo7no

Am I the only one sick of the theories with "The Great Red Dragon", as Partridge wouldn't be dead or etc.? Come on guys, stop it. Seriously. He is dead, get over it.

After watching the preview of S06E04, it turns out HLS has been monitoring Jane for 9 years.

Hmmm ...interesting; Lets review some math:

# 1 year in mental institution
# 5-6 years with CBI

That means HLS was monitoring Jane for 3 years ...why? It's not important for now, so leave this question for the next episode.

In the meantime, let's address "the list" of suspects from Desert Rose and review to see if either are in fact Red John.

1: Brett Partridge
2: Gale Bertram
3: Ray Haffner
4: Reede Smith
5: Robert Kirkland
6: Sheriff Thomas McAllister
7: Bret Stiles

Now after reviewing some very compelling theories, I'm actually not 100% sure if any of these names are in fact Red John.

Here's why:

a. The list could contain some or all known associates of Red John.
b. The list is Red John, with no specific individual being Red John.

I'm inclined to beleive the former, believing that the real Red John is on a seperate list.  

1: Brett Partridge

- Brett was an understudy to Red John, without knowing who he really was. He was a thrill seeker, perhaps thinking he was Dexter - but no where near the level of intilegence as Jane.
- He is also very dead as a door nail.

2: Gale Bertram

- I suspect Gale knows Red John, and is working for him through a proxy. I suspect he is being cajoled or coerced, and is "acting" in the interests of keeping up his side of the bargain, but not loyal to Red John.

3: Ray Haffner

- I suspected Ray for a while now, however although intelligent; he is not smart enough to be ahead of Red John. After all he was outsmarted by Jane. However, his survelliance abilities clearly define him as a close associate and willingly working for Red John. I also beleive, he has stepped in at times for Red John, but he is not Roy.

4: Reede Smith

- I suspect he is the inside man in the FBI. Brawn with no patience. Either he is a great actor, or is simply a mole for Red John.

5: Robert Kirkland

- I beleive he to be a friend of Red John, and now advisary of sorts. Killing Lennon, removed a "past" link to Red John. I suspect the death of Lorlei's sister sent him over the edge, which would have been around the same time HLS started to investigate Jane.

6: Sheriff Thomas McAllister

- If this list were to have a number one suspect, he would be it. However, something doesn't sit right with Red John agreeing to a list with his real identity on it. I suspect the good Sheriff knows more about Red John then he is letting on.

7: Bret Stiles

- I've read that many beleive him to be the real Red John's father, and for that he could be. However, this whole visualize thing has me wondering how deep the rabbit hole is to Red John. I suspect, the organization is directly linked to Red John, however I've not been able to fathom why. Also, consider that Bret was deposed then brought back, and his would be deposee is back as Bret's chief lieutenant. Bret doesn't forgive, he uses ...very much like Red John. A good suspect, however I beleive Bret is more of a mentor and a teacher to Red John, then being the character of Red John himself.


So who exactly is Red John?

I don't know at this point, however I feel that Ellis Mars may know a lot more about the real Red John then do the people on the Desert Rose list.


...all will be reviewed soon.

Okay guys, hear me out: remember when Heller said we would be disappointed when we found out who Red John was? What if RJ has already been killed off (i.e. Partridge and most likely Kirkland tomorrow night) before episode 06x08 when he is rumored to be "revealed"? How 'disappointing' would it be for PJ to discover that RJ is someone who is already dead, and that he will never have the chance to confront him? How disappointing would that be for the audience? Maybe RJ is Partridge or Kirkland, and they ordered their own murder(s) in order to never give PJ that opportunity to confront them. Personally for me that would be the most disappointing end (probably even worse than finding out Reede Smith is RJ....UGH PLEASE NO).