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I think the lady is red john. 
http://i.imgur.com/6Ez7I0R.jpg 
I am not saying that the lady is brett partridge, (even though the jewelry matches brett to the lady)  because i am almost 100 % sure that he is dead, But that doesn't exclude the fact that the lady with the pigeons is red john.
It fits, she (he) could hear everything jane was saying to lisbon, and the lady looks scary as fuck, giving me nightmares. I think the lady is red john dressed up with a RED wig and a mask. There were many close ups in the scene on the lady, that can't be a coincidence. BTW maybe Bruno Heller thought that Partridge was red john from the beginning, but then he saw all the theories against partridge, and he changed the script, just to keep things interesting. It is no coincidence that the #1 suspect was killed in the first episode. This was all thought trough. And if you look closely to the lady, you can see its a mask that she is wearing. ( not 100% sure again, but it looks sillicone )

Thanks for reading, if you have any comments please let me know!

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Does someone has noticed that the knife of RedJohn by its form could correspond to a hunting knife, more precisely a knife to carve the animals, and we learn that Tom McAllister was a hunter (if he tells the truth)..But as usual it doesn't mean anything and we can find this clue a bit too easy..We as viewers have already seen this knife several times, but not the protagonists, or...yes maybe Jane in the S02 finale when he met masked RedJohn. So if RedJohn is aware that Jane has already seen his particular knife, he probably be more prudent and don't tell him he was a hunter to prevent Jane think of a potential link...

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So after all, 6x03 was pretty fruitless regarding valuable RJ clues.

The writers have been playing with us a bit concerning McAllister, twice avoiding height then saving PJ on the roof top. Then the bird scene, however with a totally normal reaction to a bird coming out of nowhere and flying into his face – no phobia implied here. (Also, he is calming down way to quickly for a phobic.)

The only real clue is McAllister pulling up PJ with his left hand. So we now know McAllister is left-handed. This does not make him RJ though ;)

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I watched the 3rd episode yesterday and I knew when I come here everyone will be accusing sheriff McAllister. I don't think it's McAllister. Next week there is going to be a Kirkland episode and then everyone will be accusing Kirkland.

I still have my suspect. Sticking to it.

Sheriff McAllister, although acting suspicious and having his 'fear of heights' does not seem like a likely suspect if you think beyond the possibility of having him revealed as Red John. It would be quite disappointing to say the least.

I have tried wrapping my mind around the meeting between him, Bertram and Reede and the only thing I can think of as an explanation is that they were having a meeting about the Red John situation. When they say that it's Bertram's job to know what Patrick knows I think they just mean that Bertram is ultimately responsible for Patrick's doings in the CBI. 

I want to go through Patrick's list again and use hints given by Bruno Heller in interviews as well. Please note that I personally do not believe everything that he says as he can't reveal the real Red John at the risk of losing ratings. So going down the list of 7:

1. Brett Partridge - Bruno Heller said he is dead. (He CAN'T say Brett is alive as this will automatically scream suspicion). Why was Brett Partridge still alive when Lisbon got to the house? We never see his body, and never hear of his murder being investigated.

Brett has always been suspicious. At first it was said that he was too young to have been in visualize way back in 1988, but the actor is actually old enough to have been able to kill in 1988. He fits the profile (the way Red John was described). He is a wild card, he is not my main suspect but I won't be surprised if he turns out to be Red John. 

In the first few seasons, Brett Partridge would also show up at all the fake Red John murders, almost like he is sizing up the 'competition'. Then there are the, what I like to call 'coincidences' such as William Blake's painting "brace of Partridge". Also, Brett whispers Tyger Tyger when he "dies".

There are a lot of unanswered questions pertaining to him. His voice could be pulled off as belonging to Red John. 

2. Gale Bertram - Bruno has never spoken about him, but in the writing of the series we have seen many subtle eerie signs of him being linked to Red John perhaps.  

He certainly has influence and 'friends' in the FBI. He has access to all parts of the CBI building. Now for something everyone has possibly forgotten about, Gale Bertram is the ONLY suspect on the list of 7, that was also on La Roche's list of 4 in season 3! This places HUGE suspicion on him IMO. 

He is old enough to be Red John, his profile and voice does not match that of what we know about Red John, but that can be explained away easily.  He has recited William Blake poetry out of the blue. He acts suspicious when told that Partridge was murdered. 

This man seems to be somehow involved. When Patrick Jane met with him at the end of season 3, it also seemed like he was in fact uncomfortable and he was acting suspicious. However, why was it necessary for Patrick Jane to give Bertram advice on how to play poker? Was this a smoke screen, or does Bertram really not have what it takes to be Red John? 

3. Reede Smith - Reede has not been focused on much over the last few episodes or in fact ever. If he turned out to be Red John, it would really be a case of "random selection" as there is at present no possible back story for him being Red John. His build does not match the description, he has not been in the series much nor from the beginning, and that brings me back to Bruno Heller saying "Red John has been there from the start".  Reede is an unlikely candidate.

4. Bob Kirkland - From the list he fits the clues and profile. He has been there from the beginning (we see him shake hands with Patrick Jane in the 'prequel' episode), he acts strangely as he has stolen information from Patrick's office and murdered the man in the hospital. He is of average build with short straight hair. 

He seems as though he loathes Patrick. He is old enough to have been in Visualize. But his demeanor suggests that his vendetta is not with Patrick Jane, but rather with Red John, which means he himself is not Red John.

He seems to be looking for Red John himself. I would exclude him from actually being Red John. 

5. Sheriff McAllister - Certainly old enough to be Red John. We meet him in the first season so he has been there from the beginning. His voice and build do not strictly match that of what we know about Red John, but as previously said this is easy to explain away. He knows Gale Bertram and Reede Smith personally so he has powerful friends. He has a clear fear of high places as it was reported Red John has.

But again, he seems very random. Would be disappointing to have him be Red John. Would however not be surprising to see him being involved.  

6. Ray Haffner - This guy is so random to me, I really don't expect him to be Red John.  He fits the description of Red John, he is in Visualize, he seems to be creepy and have a mean streak. His voice does not match but that does not mean much. He is a good whistler, this is apparently important. He has however not been in the mentalist from the start. He is a recent character. I believe that there was an idea of who Red John would be from the start, and he does not seem likely. I can't effectively exclude him just because it would disappoint, but if I think logically and look at the fact that the 'show must go on', I can't see prolonged interest in the show being maintained if he was Red John.

7. Bret Stiles - Yes he has acted very strange, yes Visualize obviously has some part in Red John's life and yes Bret has more than enough power to be Red John. But he is quite the old man, and just about always has an entourage with him. He is a public figure. His voice and build does not match Red John's, to the point where it is noteworthy.

Bret knew Red John or still does. This is actually quite obvious to me. He has definite manipulative skills. He basically put Van Pelt in a trance.

I don't have too many good points against Stiles apart from the fact that they say Red John WAS IN Visualize. Bret Stiles created Visualize. I think we should concentrate on things Bret Stiles reveals like the fact that he knew Patrick's father. And his organization destroying evidence of Red John's membership.

He is very obviously tied to Red John.

That is my roundup. I don's necessarily believe someone on the list IS Red John. I have another suspect in mind. A big clue in my opinion rests with the fact that Red John killed in 1988 and then it is reported that he stopped and became active 10 years later for the first time again. 

There must be something to explain that.  

Please let me know what your thoughts are in the comments.  



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I'm still quite curious as to what was meant by "He Is mar" written in blood on the bathroom wall.. 
http://www.google.com/search?q=he+is+mar&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=...

'He IS mar' .. Hm,well,I don't know about you, but the only thing that comes to my mind is 'He is many'

What else could have been meant?? he is married? he is marked? he is manipulated? 
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It IS a possibility that red john is a cult-like organization / red john isn't one individual - of course that wouldn't be the most exciting outcome, but nevertheless it's always a possibility one can't be so quick to rule out. 

The next obvious question is who created this cult with so many dedicated(brainwashed) followers? where / when did it all start? Someone has to be the head honcho, right? 

I haven't the slightest clue who red john might be! And I kind of like it that way ;)
I like not knowing who it is(at the moment). It's really exciting.
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I hope finding out who or what red john is makes all our jaws drop! 


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I have been watching this show from the beginning, always had a sneaking suspision that Brett Stiles has something to do with the RJ case...possibily orchestrating others. RJ does not work alone "he has many friends". There is a duality I haven't noticed anyone on the forums state related to tyger, tyger...could BRETT partridge and BRETT stiles play into that duality...father/son, who knows. I have always though brett and patrick were the only truly charismatic characters on the show so the solution involved them somehow...the other characters are simply too boring, mundane, some obsese (smith), not wealthy enough etc..and most just do not have the AURA or personal characteristics of someone who would be orchestrating this whole big ploy against patrick. I do think there is some connection to Vanpelt and Krystina Frey - the red hair and creeply calm demenours (not to mention open/intiutive characteristics) are no concidence. Overall though these are just pipe dreams/ideas/feelings I've had since the beginning but one thing I really believe is that we, the audience, are being mislead constantly by the producer and characters on the show who give us outright ' clues' about RJ...very few of which I think will prove accurate (red herrings). I think there has been a lot of deception about the real RJ from these sources, so be careful what you buy into and believe. I think the moral/main idea once this (amazing!) show has ended will be the importance of going with your gut, even when others are telling you different facts. Intuition is a big theme in this show so I am on edge waiting to see how this plays out for the final finale...what is the morale for the audience here?! I would love to ask Patrick Jane right NOW on gut reaction who he believes RJ is. I believe he knows in his gut but is unable to prove it. Don't fall for the red herrings, go with your gut. Brett Stiles is involved!

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Wow!  I can't believe no one wrote about this yet!  It's not a theory but it's VERY OMINOUS!!!!  TWICE  Van Pelt and Rigsby mentioned how the rules were lifted about inner office fraternizing.  Sounds great, right?  Yes!  Now they can date.  They can get married.  They can even keep their beloved jobs at the CBI.   Oh wait.....  no.  They are leaving very soon.  Something tells me they will not be driving off into the sunset.

If I recall  ... spoilers said that that Van Pelt and Rigsbys departure would have some form of impact on the RJ case.  Who knows, maybe Grace has been under Bret Styles hypnotic/ transference since that day she met him and has been an unsuspecting mole all along.  Maybe that Kubrick smiley thing on their Just Married sign wasn't too far off the mark.

One thing is for sure... there was NO reason to have the CBI lift the fraternizing policy right at this time only to have them marry  ....then leave.  Whats the point?

Btw...I love how more and more people are seeming to accept the Mashburn theory.  Welcome!


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