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Now, a theory I have come up with, is that nobody is Red John. Yet everybody is, Red John does not have to be a person, it can be a symbol or a meaning, or even better a cult of some sort. I do believe that it all started with visualise, and that a few members branched off, and created a new 'cult' one named 'Red John'. This means that anybody in the cult of Red John can become the Red John killer. Further more, Timothy Carter, a character we know little about, could have been one of these Red John killers, but wasn't the one who is terrorising Patrick. It may also help explain how many recorded Red John killings are not related to Patrick's life story, yet some are. Possibly one particular member of the Red John cult is fixated on Patrick. The idea of the cult makes more sense when Red John seems to have so much power over people, to think one serial killer can control so many people to perform his deeds. I think all 'followers' of Red John, are not following a man, but a religious cult, branched off from the idealisms of visualise.

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I think it's the psychic lady, or the original CBI boss, or the blind lady... I hope it's not Lisbon or Van Pelt or I'll be really mad. Advice for the writers: it's season 5 for heaven's sake, if you won't have something happening between Lisbon and Jane no one will ever believe it will happen and everybody will stop watching the show!! Red John for ever and ever and ever is not that interesting any more.

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From the 30 suspects released by cbs lets first rule out any who don't match the physical description by Rosalind Harker

"just under six feet tall, with short, straight hair, not muscular but not soft with strong hands."

Brett Stiles- Older, balding, posh accent would have been mentioned
Don Henderson - Well built, bald
Gale Bertram - Bald, over 6ft
Judge Manchester - Balding, old, large frame
Glen Snow - Well built, tall, black (from images of RJ's hand)
Tommy Volker - Long wavy hair
Jason Cooper - Old Bald
JJ La Rouche - Fat, bald
Walter Mashburn - Over 6ft
Reed Smith - Fat, too big of a build
Tolman Bunting - Beard
Sherriff Mccallister - Moustache 

So we're down to 18

Lets remove those caught for crimes, making them, in my opinion not smart enough to be red john

Asher Mcclean - Caught for sexual abuse
Donny Culpepper - Caught burglarising La Rouches house
Tommy Volker - Already removed
Glen Snow - Already removed
Richard Haibach - caught with photos of women
Linus Wagner - Convicted for murder and in jail for many red john killings
Max Winter - Caught trying to kill his wifes killer, red john would have succeeded 

Down to 13

Dean Harken, Doc Dugan, Paul Fricke, Markham Shankar, Gabe Mancini, Robert Kirkland, Brett Partridge, Ellis Mars (wanted to rule him out because of built and hair but not sure), Ray Haffner, Dr Royston Daniel, Virgil Minelli (wanted to rule him out also because of age but again not sure), Vint Molinari and Osvaldo Ardiles

Im going to remove one off characters that are not very memorable also in episodes not directed by heller, simon baker or chris long as i find it doubtful that when red john is introduced the episode will not have been made by one of the three

Doc Dugan - although i like that he was a retired quarter back and "he is man" could be the heisman cup that the victim recognised him from winning, long shot though (episode directed by Eric Laneuville)

Dean Harken - Liked him for red hair but his temperment didnt strike as someone who could have many followers (episode directed by John Showalter)

Paul Fricke - Red Johns followers mostly women so red john being a womanizer would be good but not really a great character (episode directed by Leslie Linka Glatter written by ken woodruff)

Gabe Mancini - Doesn't have the temperment, chasing jane through the building for the red bead incident (episode directed by Randall Zisk)

Dr Royston Daniel - Liked him for motivational speaker but episode was written by Ashley Gable and directed by Norbeto Barba 

Vint Molinari - Brief appearance, not memorable, just a normal cop (episode directed by David Barrett

Osvaldo Ardiles - Neither his first or last appearance was written or directed by Bruno Heller 

Down to 6, Markham Shankar, Robert Kirkland, Brett Partridge, Ellis Mars, Ray Haffner, Virgil Minnelli

Ellis Mars - For a major twist with a bumbling mans character changing before your eyes mars would be good. Mars is the red planet. His episode red moon was written by heller and directed by simon baker. He gave patrick the card which sparked the tiger tiger poem memory. "he is mar" could be he is mars, or if the H could be two l's and it could have been an attempt to write ellis. He is also a physic and maybe was just playing as a fake

Virgil Minnelli - Gregory Itzin was amazing in 24 at playing the villain. The fishing trip where minelli retires and then red johns persona changes, seems odd. Knew what taggliafero meant. Appeared in the season 5 flashback to still under contract or still agreeing to play a role....

Brett Partridge - Meh, I don't like him, his character would need to change because that guy would def not persuade people to follow him, he doesnt seem to have a great deal of power that red john would have and just a massive red herring i think

Ray Haffner - Don't know much about him really, but a visulize member so possible but a bit obvious, why would they tell us that in the same episode we find out red john was or is in visulize......

Robert Kirkland - again, obvious but who knows......

Markham Shankar - An underdog, rich, powerful, fascinated with death memorabilia, his episode directed by chris long, written by bruno heller

People i ruled out who i would like to be red john, Max winter, physical is there, got away with trying to kill his wifes killer and we know red john is married. Gave jane the gun to kill his own follower, that would be a great mind game

Mashburn - love him, so if rosalind is a follower i think its definitely him, otherwise, too tall

People with facial hair could of shaved but both the characters were one off anyway and not memorable


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I think about it when i first saw s03 finale but now its make more sense to me.

at the finale of season 3 and the motel trick the killer go to Bertram's room and jane thought it because she want to jump to the real mole.
but it's not make sense.

How did RJ know its was a setup? Because he has at least 2 moles in this little game.
How did RJ know about the mall? Because of Bertram!
he knew its a setup, so he made jane to think its bertram and give GVP boyfriend the chance to kill Hightower and after that he can keep Bertram as a mole (and high priority one), because jane think he reveal the mole.

but what is the real interesting thing about the motel trick is that all the male char in laroche's list are in the 30 suspect list. and i think laroche kill this indian man that try to get list for RJ as a favor to RJ, because he take the tongue of the rapist.

i just say that season 3 finale give us a lot of clues about whats going on.

and sorry about my english:)

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J.J.laRoche is either red john, or red john mole inside CBI.
if you listen carefully to what Scott saynay was trying to say: "it is red john,red john".

this may imply that either :
A-red john is the one who offended j.j.laRoche's mother and had saynay take the blame for it so he cut his tongue making him unable to defend himself in court.or
B-j.j.laroche is red john and took his revenge by cutting saynay's tongue to make him suffer life long.

Personally i think that laroche is another disciple to red john and he looks like lorelie who had her sister killed by red john and blame another man for it, and also he looks like Rebecca because he is as creepy as she is and he collects hummels figurines just like she collects something similar (don't remember it right now).

2 similar disciples in CBI would suggest that their master is mostly within CBI also and my best candidate for this is VIRGIL Minelli.
My second guess will be either j.j.laroche himself,Jason cooper or judge Manchester.

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I think Red John wanted to turn La Roche to his side the same way he turned Lorelei.. RJ sent the rapist to rape La Roche's mother, making him weak after she committed suicide 3 months later. When the rapist was sleeping the night before his trail, Red John cut his tongue and sent it to La Roche as a gift.. Thus the Tupperware has the guy's tongue..

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CBS 30 suspects:
officially exclused by suspects Alex Jane, Danny Ruskin, CBI Ron, Jane
himself, Rigsby, Timothy Carter alive, the women and others.
List:
Oscar Ardiles, Gale Bertram, Jason Cooper, Donny Culpepper, Doc Dugan, Paul Fricke, Dean Harken, J.J. LaRoche, Robert Kirkland, Asher MacLean, Judge Manchester, Gabe Mancini, Ellis Mars, Walter Mashburn, Sheriff McAllister, Virgil Minelli, Vint Molinari, Brett Partridge, Ray Haffner, Reede Smith, Richard Haibach, Royston Daniel, Markham Shankar, Glennda Snow, Bret Stiles, Tolman Bunting, Tommy Volker, Linus Wagner.


By these will come the 7 suspects and the name of real Red John.

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