Who is Red John?

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RED JOHN EPILOGUE: (I really hope this gets filmed and happens on the show!!!!)  Please vote "Plausible" if you agree!


This would be the ultimate awesome:  In a few episodes from now, Jane's just minding his own business.  Maybe he's finally decided to start dating Lisbon, or whatever.  He sees (out of the corner of his eye) someone who looks a lot like Partridge, in some random resort town or something, while on vacation with Lisbon.

   He vary cautiously, but casually confronts him, Jane doesn't want Partridge to be able to see him until he is close.  Partridge now has bleached blond hair and a deep (but realistic) tan,  maybe an accent of some kind (Spanish, French, surfer Californian?  I don't know), but it is definitely him, and he plays dumb of course.  He pretends to not recognize Jane, except for a twinkle in his eye (much like Timothy Carter did). 

    Conversation ensues, etc.  Partridge admits that he's Partridge, but only admits that he is under some sort of "Witness Protection Program" in exchange for his participation with the FBI in ratting out as much as he knows about the Blake Association (as a former member).  Before he leaves, Jane asks him how he thinks McAllister pulled off being Red John for all of those years.  Partridge just can't resist and tells Jane his "theory" which explains everything (all clues connected) -- which only Red John would know, but which doesn't actually implicate himself, because it is just a "hypothetical," much like OJ Simpson's book, If I Did It.  But, anyway, "Brett" explains that he is bored now with chasing (read: being) RJ now and just wants to be a surfer/ESL teacher/whatever now, under the radar.  PJ has not recourse to kill, shoot, or arrest Partridge.  He has no weapon and he has already cried wolf twice, with two different "RJ"s.  No one would belief him, he would become the stupid, psycho, serial killer of suspected serial killers, claiming them all to be Red John -- how would that look?  Jane's hands are tied and he is in a stale mate.

     "Partridge" is able to leave and get away, bathed in anonymity, likely going to change his hair color or face again.  Before he leaves, still acting gregarious like he and Jane are old friends (except he seems much smarter this time) he yells back that maybe Jane's search for Red John brought something good after all -- he got to meet Lisbon, fall in love and have (adopted?) their young daughter (who we now see playing with Lisbon in the background). 

    Jane realizes that RJ/Partridge is much smarter than he and says out loud (soliloquy for the camera) that the real RJ provoked Jane to murder two "innocent" men; PJ realizes that HE has become a serial killer at the beckoning of RJ, who gets away scott free.

    A few days/a week/a month later, Jane receives a registered letter in the mail.  It is from Visualize -- a posthumous note from the desk of Bret Stiles.  (It was written in his will to have this delivered to PJ 6 weeks (or however long) after his funeral.  In it, he apologizes for never coming clean all of these years, cowardly trying to protect his empire from defamation, thereby protecting, harboring, and even supplying RJ with all of the resources/followers he needed, while Bret was under duress of blackmail form RJ (who was his son, nephew, foster child, whatever).  This explains why he loved/harbored RJ, "Brett Partridge" (not his real name -- chose it in honor of Bret Stiles and his love of William Blake: an homage to "A Brace of Partridges"), but, over the years Bret Stiles also grew to see Patrick as a worthy adversary and, daresay, even to love him like a son.  And so he wrote this note to let him know that.

   But it's too late, RJ has gotten away into a sea of anonymity, never to be heard of/from again.     
 

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You know how a villain/killer in a tv show (or otherwise) will kill someone they love just to prove (in "badass" fashion) that they own that person?  

   I think Bruno Heller was trying to prove to us that he owns The Mentalist.

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We're all missing a huge point here:  Who the @#$@%! was CARMEN LEE?!?!?!?

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SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS

If you haven't seen the RJ episode, you best be avoiding this site right about now, if you're afraid of spoilers.


 Okay, I slept on it and I realized a few things:

1)Jane knew it would be McAllister (foresight about pidgeon/fears), which was a cool,clever twist.  

2)The pidgeon was fitting because it's a magician's trick -- the reason magicians use doves (which are white pidgeons) is because they "sleep" and act dead when they are in the dark -- almost undetectable

3) He is Mar -- We should come up with a million of these, but some possible ones could be "He is Mar-shall" "He is Man-iac" which could be anyone.

4) They played this out as the anti-"Strawberries and Cream." After sleeping on my disappointment, I realized that they didn't want people to just say that they ripped of the Timothy Carter episode (Really die-hard fans wouldn't care, that's why we tune in!!!).  

  So, they did the opposite -- made the team immobile and impotent, set it in he light of day, set it in real time, no resources (just Jane's brain and everyday objects), RJ is no Timothy Carter, just the jerk (not even creep, too high of praise) next door who wants to be appreciated for his "genius."

   Okay, so they played it simple, few frills, Jane's brain only, mundane, not over the top.  One could say it was realistic and elegant.  One could say that, but I think it's like what happened to The Office season 8 or the Seinfeld finale (which were crap) -- they went for the counter-expectation, the bait and switch.  The writers got too writerly, they only talked amongst themselves without looking at it from our perspective.

Hmmm . . . what would the audience not expect?  Was their clarion call.  

 -- Jane in a church
 -- impotent team
 -- low tech revenge: bird and choking
 -- daylight, quotidian locales, soft begging RJ with no real insights to reveal other than the plea for life "Don't you wanna know how I got the list?"
 -- Calling 911 instead of Blake or Visualize cronies

In the end, did the audience just want something the didn't expect? Or did we want Timothy Carter in a different incarnation?  Our collective backlash should give you the answer.  Yes, we wanted the chain-pulling of each Season Finale and RJ episode to finally come to an end, but not JUST to come to an end.

   It's like a bride who decides to cut off all of her hair and dye it red right before her wedding and then gets upset and pissed off when her groom is shocked and disappointed.  He IS surprised, but not necessarily in a good way.  That's just how it feels, Bruno Heller.

   Please give us a Partridge alternative ending (online webisode, in the least) -- Haffner, Mashburn, Styles, Linus Wagner, etc. alternative endings  a la Clue movie -- just to show how it would have played out, even if they don't fit with the rest of the new season.  We have been your loyal fans, please be loyal to us.

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The leaked episode "This IS the show, and they are NOT changing it!!!"

   Here is the behind the scenes of Bruno Heller pitching the "Red John" episode to CBS execs, Jason Alexander plays BH and Jerry Seinfeld plays Simon Baker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG7ymv0ptLo

   What do you think -- how accurate is this?

Further question:  Why would the spend so much money on producing this leaked episode if they weren't going to air it?  It matches the preview spot on.  I don't like it either, but it has some merit here and there.


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SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS

If you haven't seen the RJ episode, you best be avoiding this site right about now, if you're afraid of spoilers.


 Okay, I slept on it and I realized a few things:

1)Jane knew it would be McAllister (foresight about pidgeon/fears), which was a cool,clever twist.  

2)The pidgeon was fitting because it's a magician's trick -- the reason magicians use doves (which are white pidgeons) is because they "sleep" and act dead when they are in the dark -- almost undetectable

3) He is Mar -- We should come up with a million of these, but some possible ones could be "He is Mar-shall" "He is Man-iac" which could be anyone.

4) They played this out as the anti-"Strawberries and Cream." After sleeping on my disappointment, I realized that they didn't want people to just say that they ripped of the Timothy Carter episode (Really die-hard fans wouldn't care, that's why we tune in!!!).  

  So, they did the opposite -- made the team immobile and impotent, set it in he light of day, set it in real time, no resources (just Jane's brain and everyday objects), RJ is no Timothy Carter, just the jerk (not even creep, too high of praise) next door who wants to be appreciated for his "genius."

   Okay, so they played it simple, few frills, Jane's brain only, mundane, not over the top.  One could say it was realistic and elegant.  One could say that, but I think it's like what happened to The Office season 8 or the Seinfeld finale (which were crap) -- they went for the counter-expectation, the bait and switch.  The writers got too writerly, they only talked amongst themselves without looking at it from our perspective.

Hmmm . . . what would the audience not expect?  Was their clarion call.  

 -- Jane in a church
 -- impotent team
 -- low tech revenge: bird and choking
 -- daylight, quotidian locales, soft begging RJ with no real insights to reveal other than the plea for life "Don't you wanna know how I got the list?"
 -- Calling 911 instead of Blake or Visualize cronies

In the end, did the audience just want something the didn't expect? Or did we want Timothy Carter in a different incarnation?  Our collective backlash should give you the answer.  Yes, we wanted the chain-pulling of each Season Finale and RJ episode to finally come to an end, but not JUST to come to an end.

   It's like a bride who decides to cut off all of her hair and dye it red right before her wedding and then gets upset and pissed off when her groom is shocked and disappointed.  He IS surprised, but not necessarily in a good way.  That's just how it feels, Bruno Heller.

   Please give us a Partridge alternative ending (online webisodes, in the least) -- Haffner, Mashburn, Styles, Linus Wagner, etc. alternative endings  a la Clue movie -- just to show how it would have played out, even if they don't fit with the rest of the new season.  We have been your loyal fans, please be loyal to us.

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Okay, so I just saw the leaked video of "Red John" and I am so disappointed that I can't sleep.  I think that even those on Team McAllister were disappointed with how it all went down.  (If you wait until Sunday to watch it, see if you agree with this posting then.)

   Please click on Green "Plausible" if you would like to sign this petition for Bruno Heller to create a series of webisodes in which a series of popular suspects are revealed as Red John.  

    I would love to see how Brett Partridge would have done it and how smart and duplicitous he turned out to be.  And I'm sure that my fellow loyal Mentalist/WhoIsRedJohn.com fans would love to see your favorite suspects revealed as the "real" RJ.  Bret Stiles, Haffner, etc.

    Remember the end of the movie Clue, how they had alternate endings with different characters doing it?  Having read the posts on this site for weeks, I have definitely seen some real DEMAND and really great alternative theories that would make really great webisodes!

    Please sign this petition by clicking on "Plausible" so they can see them played out with our favorite actors on our favorite series.  We will even sit through ads and maybe even click on some of them -- to make it worth CBS's while!  

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