Theories of Doyler_2 (9)

Really more of a question than a theory from me: Do we know formally at this point if the show has been cancelled?

Q: if Heibach and his sister were the folks who broke into the Rigsby's, which of the was shot by GVP? Neither seemed to have a shoulder wound...

A question more that a theory.

Do we accept that everything Bruno Heller has revealed publicly is valid, or is it more reasonable to believe that while some of the information is valid, some of it is most certainly misinformation.

I believe the latter.

It strikes me as odd, for example, that he would publicly confess to not settling on the identity of Red John until somewhere during Season 4 (or thereabouts) - even if this were true, what would the benefit be of revealing that?  Furthermore, does it make sense that he would have been clear on the existence of The Blake Association (and the role it would play), before knowing who Red John would be? (Tyger Tyger goes back to Season 2 if I'm not mistaken).

Maybe hope on my part, but RJ still feels like he's out there, I think he's Mashburn, but in any event, the first 8 episodes don't seem to hang even now.

Sadly, I think our last, best hopes for revisiting Red John, at least anytime soon has gone with the title of 6x13 being revealed to be 'Black Helicopters'.

I was holding out hope that the withholding of the title of the episode was meaningful and would come with 'Red' as the colour within it...I fear we may indeed be stuck with 6x8 as the close to the arc...sad days.

Accepting that there will most certainly be plot holes within the Red John story line that may never be resolved (if a show runs long enough, there will almost always be some continuity errors), I think it's more that fair to say that some of the gaps here go well beyond oversights or that can be dismissed (in the minds of the writers) as minor details.

There have been many postings outlining many, many questions to be answered - and some of these may simply the natural product of unresolved curiosity.

However, there are some clear holes in what have been central elements of the story line, plot elements which remain unresolved but that must have been considered by the writing staff at the time they were written, even if RJ wasn't determined until later within the show:

- The connection between Visualize & Red John, and how Bret Stiles in particular was so well versed in all things Red John, as well as the events at the Farm

- How Red John was able to generate such a loyalty among his minions, even, for some of them unto the their willingness to die for him

- How Red John did, indeed, come up with the List of 7 - or perhaps, more importantly, why he offered those names up to Jane & the CBI

- Why CBI Senior Management, each in turn, was so willing to report on Jane to Bob Kirkland / Homeland Security

There are hundreds of other questions, each of which hold our interest at different times, but these points have been major recurring elements within the plotline of the show.

Even the JJ LaRouche's 'Tupperwaregate' was brought to a meaningful and compelling close - do we really think that the core plotline will be left so open ended?

There must be more to come.

More on the List of 7 & How Red John got Jane's List

Cynicism tells me that if the Red John reveal is actually real (and I'm very much hoping that it is not - the theories posted here are far more interesting and well though through), then we won't really ever find out how RJ got the list because it was not thought through as a plot element that was ever planned to be revealed (which is almost unfathomable to me - this is no small part of the story). 

That said, if we presume that there will be better closure coming, I'm in the camp that says the original list of 7 wasn't real (not in fact Jane's list at all).  I think we see a partial list of Jane's suspects in an earlier episode (in his notebook) and it's different from the List of 7.  I may be wrong, but I don't believe we ever see Jane revealing the List of 7 to anyone (or to the viewer) prior to RJ's DVD being played. 

Now, presuming he's looking to trap RJ, and knows that by revealing the list to Lisbon & the Team it will become known to RJ that he has done so, I picked up that scene at the end of season 5 differently. I think it's more likely that Jane reviewed the DVD in private (in fact I think that's evident from the scene when he shared the viewing with Lisbon), and when he did so, it gathered photos of the 7 to reveal to Lisbon as the names were read by Lorelei Martins in order to 'confirm' RJ's list as his own and imply these are his suspects (as misdirection). 

Jane had previously revealed that he had a list of 7 names, and revealed one of those names, but did not reveal any of the others.  I think the intention then was for Lisbon & the audience to infer the two lists were the same - but we don't know that. Long story short - I'm not sure RJ ever had Jane's list nor intended to reveal himself as being on that list.